Episode 12: After Show

Sarah's input on Tina's episode about Sherri Papini

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Hey, deadly divas and dudes. Welcome to the Sherry Papini After Show. Hopefully, you've just listened to the actual episode, because now you're gonna get to hear my thoughts on it. Or at least my notes. We both make notes every time. We watch the same documentaries, and usually our notes have all the same facts and information. And Tina did say that she had to cut her down from like five million pages to two million.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Yeah, so thanks, Sherry, for making it so convoluted.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Whereas I only had two pages of notes, but obviously things that stuck out to me were different than things that stuck out to you, and that's why we did this together because everybody We have different tastes. We have different tastes, we have different opinions, and we also pick up on different things. Uh I did not go into my version or what stuck out to me during the actual episode because there was just so much of it we would have gone on forever. So this is gonna make a pretty good after show. So one of the first things I have here is her phone was actually found with her earbuds and her hair. Because the phone she took with her was the burner phone. And her husband actually found the phone and the earbuds and the hair by using the Find My iPhone. Right. Um, and it looks like the earbuds, they weren't, they weren't the ones like they are now that are wireless. They were wired earbuds, and the wire was wrapped around the phone with the hair in it. And she later says when they ask her about that, she said, I deliberately yanked out my hair. What that part I don't get. Why? So that you knew it was me? It's your phone and your earbuds. Of course we knew it was you. Why did you have to yank out your hair? Um, I yanked out my hair because I knew you would find it, she says to Keith. All right, so somebody pulls over in a van with a gun, but you have enough time to yank out your own hair, lay it on your phone and wind your earbuds around it, and then place it neatly in the grass because you know your husband's gonna find it. Right, right. Yeah, interest.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Maybe you could have taken that time to fucking run.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Or use the phone to call 911. Right, right. How long does that take? Not as long as wrapping your earbuds around it, that's for sure. Uh and then the next thing I have is how Keith. So when I first started watching this and I'm watching Keith being interviewed, I'm thinking, I know the story, I know she lied, I know the husband didn't do it, but if I was a police officer, I would think he did because he acted really bizarre and he was saying some weird shit. And I am not at all surprised they looked at him. But one of the other reasons they looked at him is because Sherry was going around telling people that he hit her and he threatened her. She even told her own sister that Keith had hit her and threatened her, but her sister says, I've never witnessed this, and I know Sherry can be dramatic. But I have to wonder if she wasn't kind of setting him up. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Because one of the it was either a neighbor or a friend. Like just a few weeks before this happened, she said that Sherry told her, if anything ever happens to me, Keith did it. He said he was gonna kill me and chop me up into little pieces.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Yeah. And she was telling the neighbors that they argued a lot. Um the neighbors called him weird and kind of an asshole. Right. But is this based on what Sherry's told them or what they've seen? But it really felt to me like Sherry knew that she was about to do this and she was setting him up. I agree. Um, for sure. And if you watch the documentary, the video of him in the interviews, and the videos of him being interviewed later, especially on the more recent ones, he seems very grounded.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

And he seems like a good parent and he seems totally sane and not a psycho like her. But in the videos where he's being interviewed afterwards, I I swear I would have I would have thought he was up to something. But that could just be the stress of what's going on. Who knows how you would react if your loved one was missing and taken and you'd found their iPhone and the police are questioning you. You might act a little cuckoo, too.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Yeah, and other family family members and friends said that Sherry had been known to lie and even disappear. So who knows? Maybe thought she he thought that this was just her being Sherry and doing Sherry stuff and like Or he could have been worried it was gonna be pinned on him, and he knew he hadn't done anything.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Yeah. So they actually make him take a lie detector test, and he passes it because he didn't do anything. But again, I'm not surprised that they had him do the lie detector test.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Well, the one of the FBI agents did say um that Keith was overly concerned with appearance, and he was worried about how this was gonna look to the public. So that almost certainly influenced how he was gonna act, which is shitty. Like your wife is missing, let's focus on that, not the public's opinion. But that doesn't make him, you know, or murder her or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

And that's what they mean is he was worried that it would look like he had done it because he knew that he had him. And people do get put away for life for stuff they didn't do. They do. So that could be a very stressful situation to be in. And I'm actually glad for him that he managed to pass the lie detector test because if you're that stressed out, that could have come back as inconclusive and made it look bad. Right. Uh so another couple of things to note about their relationship is Sherry was married when they met. Right. That was interesting.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

And she said that the only reason they were married is because the husband was in the military and she needed his benefits to get heart surgery. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:14

Yeah. Um, Keith and Herr actually got married, but he found her talking to other guys and had her sign a prenup after the marriage, which I thought was called a post-nup, but they refer to it as a prenup after the marriage.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Right. So Well, yeah, apparently he found her talking to men like multiple times. So who can blame the guy? I mean, I probably would have just ended it myself, but like they had kids, so I get it, but you can't trust her.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

Even after they were married, she met a guy at a conference that she flirted with and told him that her husband was abusive and controlling. He says like Donovan or something, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember. Um, and her own family said that she was actually kind of wild. She had a bad childhood, she ran away from home a lot, and that they loved Keith and that once she met Keith, they were hoping that she would settle down. Right. They said that Keith was good for her. And again, this is to do with her relationship with Keith, but I also think to do with how she was trying to cover up the fact that she'd run off with her ex-boyfriend, which is basically what happened. But sh when they're interviewing her afterwards, she says she will not speak unless her husband is there. She says that she's scared of the police and she needs him there for comfort. But when he's there, she's joking about how she runs to the same song on repeat because it's their song. And how the reason she texted her husband to come home at lunchtime was for sex. And this just came across to me as her trying to lay it on really, really thick that she loved her husband because she didn't want them to think that she'd run off with an ex-boyfriend.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Yeah, and it's also her being like, Oh, I wanted attention, I wanted this, I needed this, and he's not giving it to me.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

And it was a very weird way for a person who's supposedly traumatized to act. She's giggling about him coming home for sex. She's laying it on thick, so they're super happy, and she runs to nothing but his song. Yeah, at the same time, she's traumatized. And she apparently became a recluse and became scared of locks clicking and vote-carded herself to Keith and wouldn't eat food made by anybody else, but yet she's laughing and joking about texting him for sex. Like, either act traumatized or don't, because this is giving mixed signals.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Yeah. And another thing, as far as all of her trauma, all of her various triggers, which seem to be fucking everything. During COVID, people started wearing those masks, and she claimed that the two Hispanic women that kidnapped her wore those masks. So she would get triggered every time she saw a mask, which during COVID was everywhere all the time. Yeah. And that was a lie. No, the victim mentality.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Poor me. Everyone's wearing masks and they trigger me. Poor me. Right. It's the Casey Anthony's fall of victimization. Now, when Keith talks to a therapist, he admits that he had doubts about her story. But it was the same therapist who was talking to Sherry, and the therapist assured him that her story never changes and that she had the bruises to prove it. He admits to the therapist that he could totally see her doing this for attention because she had lied about some scars on her back that she did herself. But she told a friend and Keith two different stories. She told her friend that her dad did it, and she told Keith that a previous boyfriend did it. And she had these two like deep matching scars on her back. That turns out she did that. Right. Which is why Keith said, I could totally see her doing that for attention. And again, like red red flags. So she had previously hurt herself for attention to the point where she had deep scars. Uh sound familiar?

SPEAKER_01 10:15

It's very easy to connect these dots.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

And then when the sketches of the Hispanic women came out, because she went as far as actually describing them to a sketch artist and having these sketches drawn, a lot of racist stuff started happening against Hispanics in the area. And some racist stuff surfaced from her past. All I've got in my notes is that it surfaced from her past. Do you remember?

SPEAKER_01 10:38

There was a blog post. That's right. That she made talking about how she had gotten into a fight with some Hispanic girls when she was like 16 and just a lot of other racist stuff. She did not appear to like Hispanic women specifically. Period. Yeah. Yeah. For real.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

So when James, the boyfriend, passed the polygraph test, saying that she had asked him to do it all, and the police come to her and say, Hey, we gave James a polygraph. He says that you planned it all and he passed. Her reaction is, so are you telling me James was involved? I rolled you guys. I was like, what? Yeah. This is like a bad comedy at this point. Yeah. Are you telling me there's a chance? Right. Um, another point that Keith made in the later show was that he found out that she used to make the kids feel sick so that she could take them to the doctor again for attention. And that was when he was finally done with her. So he would put, was it rubbing alcohol or something on cotton wall balls and hang them around their neck till it made them nauseous? Yeah. And that would give her an excuse to take them to the doctor.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

And that's giving me very much like Munchhausen by proxy. And thank God she was taken away from these children before this could have possibly developed into that.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

And I have down here, does she still see the children? question mark. Um I I think it was okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

So the last update, which was in the HBO documentary, the one where she's interviewed, she got weekly phone calls and she could FaceTime with them every Sunday. But she says that Keith, because he's so awful, will sometimes reschedule that or cancel it last minute, which I don't believe, but whatever. Whatever, Sherry. Perpetual victim. Oh, and she gave this little performance on that video. I don't know if you saw it, but she video recorded her FaceTime video with her kids, and she has this little conversation, like, hey guys, love you, how are you? Blah, blah, blah. And then they hang up. And when they hang up, she looks into the camera and then screams bloody murder and starts fake dying. Yes. Like soap opera. Like really? Yeah. Nobody does that.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

So that was all from the Hulu documentary, and Sherry actually refused to be interviewed for that documentary. So now moving on to my notes from the HBO documentary. She says that Jimmy was the kidnapper all along. And she could not tell police that due to the fact that she was having an emotional affair with him and she didn't want her husband to know. Right, because that's worse than what happened to you. Right. Not you've done it before. Your husband's still with you, but it would be so bad for him to know you were having an emotional affair that you can't tell people who actually beat you and branded you. Right. Right, because that's worse. That makes sense. She says that what she put around the kids' necks were essential oils when they were sick to make them better.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

I mean, is it possible? Yes. Answer for everything. But she has no credibility, so you can't believe anything she says. Whereas Keith, he wasn't caught in a single lie.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

So And then in prison, the movie had come out, and everyone was allowed to. I love this part. They allowed the inmates to watch the movie in prison that she was in prison with. I mean, who allowed that to happen? An idiot. And so they thought she was racist and there were a lot of Hispanics in the prison, but she said that once she told them her version, they looked at it.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

I don't fucking believe that. And I want to know how much they paid this cellmate of Sherry's. I want to know either how much she got paid or how stupid she is. Because and I don't think she's stupid. I think she got paid a large sum of money to be a character witness for Sherry. Because I do not believe that that woman is that fucking dumb. And I don't believe that all those other inmates were that fucking dumb. I don't believe they were all one big happy family. I have doubts that they even showed it in the prison because that just doesn't seem like that.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Right. Right. Realistic. That's gonna stoke a riot. Right. Do you really want a riot in your prison? Right. Like who would do that? That's that's stupid. So bottom line, Sherry finally takes a lie detector test in this particular documentary. And she is cleared of some facts, but not others. Which means at the end of the test, what the tester said was all I can say is that Sherry is still lying.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Although he said, I believe ABC, but she failed on DEF. He said at the end of the day, James Reyes 100% passed his, Keith Pepini 100% passed his, and Sherry Pepini does not 100% pass hers.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

And I I have big doubts about that guy anyway, the guy who gave her the polygraph.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

He went on and on about his credentials, didn't he?

SPEAKER_01 15:46

He went on and on about his credentials, but just like his demeanor towards Sherry was very off-putting to me. Like he seemed very biased to me. Like he was just yeah, like he was just dynamic. He was babying her. Yeah. Babying her for sure. Yeah. Um, and you didn't convince me that like they didn't vet her. That a polygraph from this rando guy who obviously probably has a crush on her, honestly, is what it seemed like to me, versus a polygraph from the freaking FBI. Which one are you gonna trust? I'm trusting the FBI's polygraph.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

And it comes down to that expert thing again. We all want to believe the expert, but both sides always have an expert. And if they contradict each other, it's whichever expert comes across as the most valid or believable. Yeah, and Sherry's expert did not come off as believable or unbiased. But they asked her the exact same questions they had asked James. James passed his and she passed some of hers, and both cannot be true. And this is probably why they don't use polygraphs in court.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

And also, Sherry has decades of experience lying to convince people of things. So could she have manipulated that to pass that? Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

What I said before about I think uh Casey or this one is that these liars that lie their entire lives, and there's a little bit of grain to of truth to all of their lies, which makes them more believable. But I believe that these liars can lie to the point where they can convince themselves that they're telling the truth. So could they possibly pass a lie detector test? Right. Did they ever give Casey Anthony a lie detector test?

SPEAKER_01 17:24

I don't think so. I think her parents took one, but I don't think she took one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Well, she's not going to because she knows she's a fucking liar. She's probably not going to, but she probably could pass some of the questions, just like Sherry, because they're both uh those kind of liars that believe everything that comes out of their own mouth, even when they are presented with facts. They're presented with facts, their memory knows what they did, but they can convince themselves that the words coming out of their mouth are true. So that was my take on the stuff that thoughts on that.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

Sherry's crackpot therapist, and uh I also want to relate that back to Casey Anthony's crackpot therapist. They both said, Oh, they're not psychopaths, they're not sociopaths, they're totally fine. Because normal people do this, right? Right, but then they're like, oh, this person has trauma from this, this, this, and this, and obviously they're not okay. Which is it? Which is it? Can't have it both ways.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Neither of them can be completely mentally sane. Because sane people don't don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

No, absolutely not. All right, that's what I got for you on the after show. What you got? I think that if Sherry had been allowed to stay with her family, continue on, I think that she could have gone as far as, like I said, munch housing by proxy, like making one of her kids or both of her kids like say they're sick or whatever, and go down that whole gypsy rose rabbit hole. Or I was just thinking gypsy rose. Yeah, or maybe something else happens to the kids. I feel like that was a train wreck. I feel like he was on to her.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Yeah. I feel like the prenup, I feel like that marriage would have imploded at some point, um, just like her previous marriages, because he'd already caught her in lies. She was already m seeking attention from other men. Um, the kids eventually would have told him about the cotton wall balls. Right. I just believe that, and that's probably she knew that was probably gonna happen too, and that's probably why she had this going on. I mean, had had everybody believed her and not found James, what would the outcome of this been? Keith would have had to stay with her, otherwise he would have looked bad. And had he believed that all of this was true and she'd managed to convince everybody this was true, imagine the sympathy that she would have got from him and from everybody else for the rest of her life. So I think she would have been satisfied with that though. No, she probably would have done something else at a later date.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Yeah. Maybe something to one of the kids. That that's what my mind keeps going to. And I'm thankful that that does not happen.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Yeah. At least at the end of the day, nobody got hurt but her. And the I mean money's replaceable. Yeah. And to me, that makes it not as bad as Casey Anthony, because nobody died. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

But yeah, what a pair of fucking liars. There's something. Something. Nothing good. Alright, that's it. Come back next week.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Definitely doing Skylar Nice. Yes. For Skylar Nice. I was about to say come back next week for I don't know what, but you've got us covered.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Yeah, I've got well, no, yours is next week, right? No, this is Sherry. So mine is okay. So Skylar Nice next week. Whatever Tina decides to do the week after that, and then I think my one after that will be Scott Peterson.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Yeah, Scott Peterson.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

I can't wait to do Scott Peterson.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

It's gonna be fun to rip him apart. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, guys. We will see you next time. Until then. Be divus. Not deadly. Goodbye.

SPEAKER_02 21:03

Goodbye.