Episode 14: After Show

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:21

Hey, true crime diva. And dudes. This is the after show for what Jennifer did about Jennifer Pan.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

And what she did. And it was awful. It was pretty bad. Pretty bad. She did all kinds of stuff. She did. And one thing that I wanted to touch on that I didn't really get to in the show was the amount of pressure that was on Jennifer. So she lived in a really strict immigrant household. And there were very few career options and life paths that her parents allowed for her. It was like, oh, you either need to be be a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer. Very few options. And it was made clear that she wasn't a a great student and she just wasn't really living up to their standards. Now, I don't know why. We're not really told why that is. I mean, it could just be that she wasn't academically gifted, which some people are not, and they have other strong suits. Um, but I mean, if you take that type of person and try to shove them into that box, you're obviously not going to come out with a good result. And again, I'm not saying that this justifies her actions, but it is a great way to make a really, really unhappy child. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

There's a few things in my notes that didn't really come up during the episode that I was gonna point out. One thing about her saying that there were three black men, and with them being an Asian family, is that the police did for a hot minute wonder if it was racio related.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:01

And when they canvassed the neighborhood, they asked them if there were racial issues, uh, racial unrest, I guess, in the neighborhood. But that was obviously because she said three black men.

SPEAKER_00 2:10

Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up because like the fact that she said it was three black men, and I don't know this, but like that seems kind of racist to me. Like, because it's always, oh, it was a black guy. Why is it always a fucking black guy?

SPEAKER_02 2:23

But I think also if you know that it was three white guys and you're trying to leave them off track. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. I thought it was interesting that she said one had a Jamaican accent. And I was like, that's weird. Why would you say that? But when you look up the area they lived in, it had a large Jamaican community. So again, if you're trying to leave the police off track, yeah, saying something that sounds realistic but is different to the people that you know did it might be a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

And the police were also wondering because of the whole drug relations um with Danny being a drug dealer and the harassing phone calls, made them wonder if the actual targets were Danny and Jennifer.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Right. Yeah. And the cops thought maybe this was just actually a mistake. They got the wrong house too.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

Yeah, at one point they thought the wrong house. At one point they thought Danny and Jennifer was supposed to be there. And there was actually some grainy video footage from neighbors where they can see three people entering and leaving the house. So her actually saying it was three people and using three people did track that video footage. Her parents apparently told her you have to choose between us and Daniel. And she chose them. So they took her cell phone to stop her talking to him. I thought that was interesting because we're thinking at 24, how can they really stop her seeing somebody she wants to see? Right. But if she's living at home, I'm assuming she was unemployed because she didn't really get the degree that she supposedly had. She was probably reliant on them and not self-sufficient. So when they say, Well, you have to choose between us and Danny, that she didn't really have a choice.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

Yeah. I mean, on one hand, you can say, well, she was an adult, like, no, she didn't have a degree, but she could have gone out and got some entry-level job. But then she would have had to admit to them that she didn't have it. Yeah, and and she could have saved up to leave. And obviously that's the better option than murder, an attempted murder. Um, but you know, maybe she really truly did just feel trapped. Like maybe her parents would not have allowed that. It seemed like they had an extreme amount of control. For sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

And then we we discussed kind of at the end of the episode what we thought the motive was. And I had said I thought money was probably not high on the list. But I've got in my notes here that she had actually confessed to her parents that she didn't go, didn't get the degree, and they insisted that she had to pay back all the money that they paid to put her through college.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Yeah, and we never got confirmation on which was true.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Right. It does contradict an earlier statement. Yeah. But had that been true, then you could see how money would have paid a big part in the motive. Uh also after her dad wakes up from the coma, the police realize that they just cannot let her go see him. Right. Yeah. She might guard finish the dog. Yeah. Especially being as he's the only witness.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

Yeah, the that detective said that he posted guards outside his door, and it's like that's something that you literally see in movies. Yeah, that's scary. She could go pull the plug on the Yeah. And she she might have, you know. Yeah. If given the opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

It is, it's pending. It hasn't happened yet. So we'll have to keep an eye on it. I just don't see how it cannot be first degree, because first degree is premeditation.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Right. And there's clear evidence, tons that it was premeditated. I think it's a case of like, oh, she's a young, pretty girl, and everybody's enamored and blah, blah, blah. But we'll see. And she seems so like sweet and innocent and naive, you know, in that interview. She was in over her head. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

Yeah, it'd be interesting to see. So I I guess they're not saying that she should be released, but they are saying that maybe she should get second degree or or something lesser, maybe because she didn't commit it herself.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Maybe. But I mean, she's just as guilty because A. Wouldn't have happened without her. Wouldn't have happened without her. And B, like, while it was happening, while her father was getting pistol whipped, while her mother was begging for her life, she's just walking around the house casually as it's happening. She could have stopped it at any time. Yeah, I mean, you have to be evil. You have to be cold as fuck, like no soul to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

So I guess they're not saying it wasn't first degree murder. They're just saying it has to be retried with the jury being told that they can potentially find her guilty of a lesser charge, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will. I mean, you would hope any jury would find her still guilty of first-degree murder.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

With all the text messages and haven't been there.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Sure, hopefully they she doesn't get Casey Anthony's jury.

unknown 7:23

Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

I hope nobody ever gets Casey Anthony. They're probably off the jury list permanently.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

I hope they are. And for their own sakes too. But anyway, let's not go there.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

So do we know when that's gotten back? I guess it could be a while. These things take a while going through the court systems.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

I couldn't find any other updates on it. So who knows?

SPEAKER_02 7:44

Oh, I was gonna tell you. So my TV had put itself on the closed caption, so it was showing me what the words were gonna be. And her name, Bic, it kept saying bitch.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Oh my gosh. For a while I was like, is this poor woman's name bitch? Bitch pen. Oh I think that's like a really common name in no, not bitch. I think Bic is a really common Vietnamese name because I've definitely heard it before a lot. So it's spelt B-I-C-C-H.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

Yeah. But my TV was uh at adding the T.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

That's so awful. I know. Oh my God. I wonder if AI does that now or if they have people doing that, or they can't have people doing that.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

The stuff it comes up with that can do in that. Because it's kind of like the transcript it records for us when we do the podcast. Right. Every time we say deadly demons and news, it comes up with all kinds of like Deadly Demons. Deadly Demons, that was a good one. It comes up with Devons. Yeah. It had one time. So it's gotta be done like that. There can't be somebody there typing in.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Typing away. So what do you think about Danny in this whole situation? Danny's a piece of shit. I do too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:03

Absolute fucking piece of shit. Because they break up because either her parents said you can't be with him, or like he said that he broke up with her because the parents didn't approve, so he saw no future in it. But then later she says, Well, my parents told me to choose between him and them, and I chose them. So we don't even really know what the true story is there. But when you date somebody for six or seven years, I don't think that you just give up. I mean, the parents didn't like you six or seven years ago. Why would you go out with somebody for six or seven years and then be like, well, your parents don't like me, so let's call it off.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

That makes no sense to me.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

It makes no sense. It kind of seems like Danny already had one foot out the door. And probably had already met Hunger. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, he's a he's a drug dealer, so he doesn't And like sometimes I feel so bad for Jennifer because it seems like she she was done dirty by her parents. I know her parents had good intentions. Like I'm not saying at all that they didn't. They wanted her to be successful, which is good. But obviously Jennifer was not a happy kid or a happy adult, you know. And the one thing that made her happy, Danny, like he's no fucking prize. So it feels like she had nobody and nothing.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

And and the fact that he still kept test texting her, like, I don't love you like you love me. I love what's her name, Christine. But at the same time, he's like, hey, what's up? Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Yeah. He continued.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Like you piece of crap.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Yeah, he let her on. And it's like, why? I don't know. Did he feel guilty? Did he feel obligated?

SPEAKER_02 10:46

That he felt guilt. I think that he was a teaser. He liked the fact that she loved him so much. Maybe so. It's very flattering. Yeah. And he probably likes the attention and didn't want her to give up and move on.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

So he was a low-life drug dealer, and like honestly, Jennifer was too good for him. I mean, obviously now she's a murderer, and that may not be the case, but like at the time, in my opinion, from everything that I saw, like Jennifer could have done a whole lot better. So I'm glad I said that because that reminded me. So they started dating because they had gone on like some clash trip to Europe. And she has asthma, and her asthma started acting up. I guess maybe she had an asthma attack. And she says that Danny like took care of her, and that's how they kind of started dating. And I'm like, well, that was really sweet of him. But like that also says to me that maybe she didn't really have a lot of people who she thought cared about her. And so she attached herself to it.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

It sounds like her parents were kind of cold. Yeah. So probably it was the first time that had somebody had really been attentive and caring.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

And she latched onto it and she couldn't let go. Right. Which is sad, but I'm so conflicted about this one because I I feel bad for her. But then I remember the details, like while her dad's being pistol whipped, she's just walking through the house chatting.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

Yeah, I don't really feel bad for her because I think that there's a lot of people that go through similar circumstances with not living up to their parents' expectations and being micromanaged by their parents and helicopter parenting and all of that.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

But they don't end up they don't kill their parents. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

Or casually walk around the house chatting to the government while their mom who's begging them not to hurt the daughter is executed. Yeah, I can't reconcile that. Period. So I I don't feel sorry for her, but I think that her life was unfortunate. And I think that she had options. Yeah. And I think that a normal person would have not had this particular outcome as an option. 24.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Get a job and move out. Exactly. Exactly. Why didn't she just get a job and move out? They can't make you say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

Probably would have supported her had she done that, as long as she wasn't with Danny or paying back the college tuition.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

And she probably would have gotten away with this, I think. If it wasn't for those dads. If her if her dad had passed, if he had not come out of that coma, I think that sh she gets away with this. I think so.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

I don't know if she'd have got away with it completely because they were already kind of on to the text messages and everything.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

Yeah. And a a jury would have been very sympathetic to her, I think. Possibly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

It would have been reasonable doubt.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

Yeah. So even if she had been convicted, like and I think that's a even that's a long shot. I don't think it would have been life. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

Well, who knows what her new conviction will be.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Yeah, we'll see. We'll update you guys.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Yeah, we gotta do a follow-up on that one.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

Interesting. So next week we have Missook Wang. Oh, another another Asian story. And I'm super excited about doing that one because it's an old snap, but it stuck out so much to me that even though the thousands of snaps that I've watched, I'm sure there's thousands of them. It feels like there is like that one just stuck out so much. But also I found more information about it that you don't know, and I can't wait.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

I'm excited to hear about what this crazy woman has done. You are gonna be like, What? I can't wait. Let's go do it. Yeah. All right, so catch us next week for that one. And until then, be divas.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Deadly.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Bye.