Episode 15: After Show

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Hey, hey, hey, true quam dealers and dudes. This is the after show for Misuke Wang.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

That crazy bitch. That evil bitch. I am so excited for this after show because you didn't know the whole second half of that story, did you? I did not. And I watched your brain explode.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

When you told me that there was like a whole other crime she was connected to, I assumed that it was gonna be like, oh, she met some other man and took him for all he was worth. I mean, never in my wildest dreams did I imagine it would be. She murdered a three-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

I still can't believe it. And again, as Addis Flamus says, they're innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. And as of right now, somebody else is incarcerated for that crime. But we've discussed literally campaigning for his release.

SPEAKER_02 1:14

Right, because this is so glaring that like he didn't do it and she did it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

He's already been in inside for 22 years. Wow. And there's so much evidence that the courts just won't even acknowledge. Right. They wouldn't at the time. And then the new evidence they won't acknowledge. It's so frustrating. It's very frustrating. It's frustrating for us just talking about it. Imagine how that poor guy felt.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

Yeah, I mean, he lost his daughter to a murderer and evil sicko, and now he's doing the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

And he's one of the few people who has said, yes, I lost 22 years of my life. But what bugs me more than that is that, one, my daughter's dead, and two, her killer's still out there. And there are not many people that still focus as they should on the real crime.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Which is the fact that this little girl didn't get to live past three, let alone 22 years in jail. But that stuck out to me because a lot of them are just like, me, me, me, I've been in jail all this time. Because, you know, 22 years later, they're they're over the death and they're but he was just, no, that's a a bigger tragedy to me than anything.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

Yeah, all these years later, he's still fighting for justice for his daughter.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Yeah, and they're still just turning it down. Like, no, we're not we won't even consider it. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

And it makes you wonder why. Like, they just not want to do their job. Like, what's the motive for that?

SPEAKER_01 2:38

I think a lot of the times the authorities, one, don't want to make the police look bad, and two, don't want to make it look like the justice system isn't fair. Mm-hmm. So it's more of a keeping face thing than anything else.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

Yeah, they don't want to make themselves look incompetent. Something I watched recently, and they were interviewing a police officer or a sheriff or something, and some crime had occurred, and they found out that they locked up the wrong person. And this guy, he was like retired sheriff. He just flat out admitted. Like sometimes some people just don't want to admit that they didn't do their job or that they failed at their job.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

And we're all human. Everybody makes mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes in their job. I'm sure you don't. I'm amazing at person. I don't, but yeah. But most people.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

We won't hold anybody else to my standards. No, not everybody can be superhuman.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

But most people, yes, make mistakes in their jobs. And unfortunately, when you're in that kind of job, the mistake could be life-changing for somebody else. So let's get into that. How did she get to be that way as a person? So we know that her mom died when she was young. We know that her dad was incapable of raising her, and then she was raised by family members who they say treat her like a Cinderella story. Like they they didn't treat her like one of their own. She was the one that was made to do all the work and so on. I mean, nothing justifies murder, but it makes you wonder if that's why she was as determined as she was to have the lifestyle that she wanted.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Yeah, I think that that's the old nature versus nurture conversation that I mean, is it one or the other? Is it both? I think it might be both in her case. Because, like we were talking about Jennifer Penn earlier, she obviously had a pretty strict childhood, but other people have strict childhoods and they don't murder their parents. So I think you have to have some kind of level of evil.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

But it is also true that a lot of children that are abused or mistreated go on to abuse and mistreat their own children. Yeah. And they said she wasn't treated very well by whomever raised her. And then we also hear later that she was actually put away for six months, right? For for child abuse.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

But they definitely do perpetuate that cycle more often than not. That's an almost impossible cycle to break. But like hitting a child is very different than murdering two people. Like that's a giant leap to make.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

And in the first documentary, they don't bring up any of this past. Like she had to go to anger counseling because she her temper was so bad in fights that neighbors were called and she would smash things. And then she had to go to jail for six months for um, it wasn't abuse. What was it? I might have to look it up.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

I just I need to tell you this, and you can cut it if you want to. But the whole Cinderella thing is making me remember Bridgerton. And I know you said you couldn't get into Bridgerton, which is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Oh my goodness, I've let you down. Yes. You need to watch Bridgerton. So I love Downtown Abbey, and I thought it was gonna be like that, and it wasn't. So maybe Downtown Abbey. See? Now now I can I can I tell you what, I'll do your deal. But watch yours if you watch one.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

Okay, but doesn't Downtown Abbey have like 30,000 episodes? Bridgerton will soon enough.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Yeah. Just keep going. Yeah. You don't all right. You don't you have to watch the first season, and if you don't like it, you don't have to watch any more. Okay, and so I think you would Bridgerton. I'm not saying you have to watch a thousand zillion episodes. Okay. Just watch the first one. But you'll probably get into it, and if you don't, that's fair enough. And I'll watch the first one of Bridgerton, and if I don't get into it, we will report back and let you guys know. We will report back, you guys. Anyway, download. So I thought they were gonna be similar and they weren't. And it's that's probably I was I was lusting after something Downton Abbey-ish when I watched Bridgerton and it didn't do it for me, but it's probably because I was barking up an old tree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

Yeah. It's not my typical kind of show at all. It's like very romance, drama, which I'm like a drama, but you don't told me you don't like girly movies and rom coms, and then you're like Bridgerton. It's too good. If in if it's if it's well done, I can watch just about anything. And Bridgerton is just so well done. This is not a Bridgerton podcast. Let's move along.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

Sorry, guys. Maybe one day if I get into it, but not today.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

So okay. Her daughter even said the one that like defended her in the first documentary, that's like, oh, I don't think that she killed Linda. I think it was self-defense. She even admits in the second documentary that yeah, I remember her hitting me and abusing me, and I remember her holding her hand over my mouth.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

Right, but she backtracks later. And then she says, I don't remember that specifically. She said it's very fuzzy. I don't remember it specifically. She remembered it. She was yeah, you don't I mean you don't forget that. And I think she just felt like she was betraying her mom to say that, which is why she backtracked. But I thought it was very interesting how she was steadfast for in the first documentary and then flip-flopped in the second one. There's definitely something there.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Definitely something. She definitely knows, but she feels this very strong obligation to her mother, I think. This guilt.

unknown 8:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

And then what it was about the sexual abuse stuff once we just re-watched it, is that what appeared to be signs of sexual abuse back in 1998, they now know is part of the decomposing. So say they were bruising round the genitalia, a three-year-old can actually decompose that quickly.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

So I I couldn't remember exactly what it was, but but now that they know that that is not necessarily signs of sexual assault, that could be signs of decomposition starting. Wow. So that's where that got cloudy. But that if that was the only cloudy area, I'd be like, okay, so you would want made me want to get the benefit of the doubt that this poor child was sexually hitting. You have this one thing here, and you have a thousand things here. So so listing them, you've got Miss Hook's DNA all over the bedding in an apartment she never lived in. You've got her hair in a pillow post. We brought up the spider webs in the episode, but we didn't bring up the fact that they had a what was his name? An arachnologist. An arachnologist who was able to say that that doesn't mean anything because a spider can literally spin a web in the amount of time we've been talking.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

Right. And that makes sense. Like if you tore down my home, I'm just gonna go rebuild it because fuck you. If you were a spider. Yeah. I don't think you could build this one as well. No, I definitely couldn't. I'd have to hire somebody.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

They did say that you can't really take into account those cobwebs because they could just be built back just as fast. And then the time of death back in '98, it was based on the fact that the last thing she ate was a McDonald's happy meal and how it wasn't fully digestive in her digested in her system. So therefore, her time of death had to be before 1230, which was when Barkham said he I spoke to her. Whereas they say now they know that you can't assume that all food is digested at the same rate. Right. And it depends on the I mean it's it's McDonald's. It's crap. It's not real food. You're not gonna digest that in the same way that you digest a salad. Right. You know. And a three-year-old digests differently than a 30-year-old. Right. So now that they know that that wasn't accurate either, uh, what else was there that had come up?

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Oh, the call to career said she meant that she said she received and it wasn't on her phone records.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

Um But the the guy that supposedly called her miraculously. How does it produce a spreadsheet?

SPEAKER_01 10:39

A spreadsheet to produce a phone call? I mean, I guess it was an OTA, it's hard to prove a phone call was made or received at that time.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

It would be on a phone bill. He probably made that spreadsheet. Like that doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Yeah. I mean anyone can fight a spreadsheet.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

And I mean just the fact that she had other child abuse allegations against her, and that she says to her own daughter What happened to Christina? And she told family members that she did it. And then it's just thing after thing after fact after fact after fact after fact.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

And she was calling him, asking him, Where is Christina? And earlier in that day, wanting access to her, where's Christina? Go get Christina. That's fucking weird.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

And when he said she's asleep, she asked him where, because it was only a one-bedroom apartment, and he'd let Christina have the bed so that he could sleep on the sofa. So obviously he would sleep in the bed when Christina wasn't there. So that was why she asked, Where is she sleeping? Because had she had she had to go through the bedroom window to get to the couch, if Christina was on the couch, that would have been a lot harder. Right. So I mean that's very telling.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

It is very, very telling.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Very, very telling. And those holes in that screen were they were the size of like bigger than a quarter. Yeah. And in all four corners. And he said that he had to walk past the window when he came home from work, right? Or when he came home earlier in the day. Yeah. He had to walk past the screen and he certainly would have noticed them and they weren't there before, and then suddenly they were there.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

As a parent, that's something you notice. Like if your child's window has been tampered with, like you're eagle-eyed. You see that shit.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

And when I first heard it, I thought he just meant like little slits, but they're big holes. Yeah. Like big holes. And he said that when he heard Christina talking to somebody at 12 30 and he went in there, how excited she was.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Yeah. That's creepy. That was chilling. Before it was even mentioned that Miss Sook is probably the one that murdered her, or even that she was murdered, when he was just talking about, oh, I put her to bed at 10, and then she was just up, wide awake at 12 30. Set up right in the bed. Yeah, I said, and this was before he said that he'd heard voices. I thought somebody was in that room with that child. That doesn't make any sense. Like somebody was in there with her.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

What got me was that he said how excited and happy she was, which gives you the impression that she liked Mizuk. Mm-hmm. And that if she trusted her. If she had just seen her and she was excited to see this woman who five minutes later smothers her to death.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

That is so sad. It is. So sad. Heartwrenching. And she had a daughter of her own. I don't know how anybody could do it, but how a mother with a daughter could do it.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

And who knows what Christina's mom thinks of all of this. So the person that Yeah, why your husband's mom, and I'm okay. I wouldn't want to be on the documentary if I was her, so I'm not surprised she wasn't on it. Right. But so your husband leaves you while you're pregnant for this woman. And now your child is dead, and he's in prison for doing it, but he blames the woman that he had the affair with and left you. So it's either A or B, right? It's either him or her in somebody's eyes. I I don't think for a second it was him. Hopefully the mother and the ex-wife would know him well enough to know it wasn't him. So if she believes that Missukta did it, your husband left you while you were pregnant for a woman that ends up killing your child, and then your ex-husband ends up in prison for life. Right. Like how many lives were ruined here?

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Many, many, many, many, many that we don't even know about. But here's another thing, and I I'm not throwing any shade at this woman whatsoever because I can't imagine the pain that she lives with to this day. But like, why have her cremated?

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Like that was weird, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Yeah. And maybe she just really needed the closure because it was also traumatic just the way that it all happened. But like I would have wanted cancer.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Yeah, if there was some doubt, I wouldn't have had the body cremated until that doubt had been cleared up. Yeah. And then also remember that at first they were going to call it um natural causes because the child had asthma reband and she'd been hospitalized for asthma before. But when you watch the interview, the dad being interviewed in the police station, he's the one that asks for the autopsy. He's the one that demands, like, you need a forensics team down there right now. If he knew that he was the one that murdered her, why would he be so insistent that they had forensics and that they had an investigation and that everybody should be looking for this killer?

SPEAKER_02 15:43

Right. He would have just gone along with the asthma caring. Exactly. And it kind of seemed like the cops were not really in all that much of a hurry to even figure it out. Like he had to call multiple times, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Right. And so so he calls once and they come and she's found to be, you know, not breathing in, deceased. And then once he realized that all of this stuff had been damaged or moved or whatever, and it looked like somebody had broken in, he calls back several times. Right. He says, get forensics down here. I think she was murdered. And I just don't understand why they think that the person that did it would act like that.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

Yeah. I mean, they they had determined it was asthma or whatever, it was a natural cause, and the cops were ready to just go on about their days. And then the poor father realizes, like, oh my God, like somebody did this, and is like, get back here and do something. Like, if you murdered somebody, you're not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

You're not gonna be the one that insists that they investigate to make sure it wasn't a murder. Right. And then when they do investigate it, they decide that it does look like she has been murdered. And he says, they say to him, Who do you think did it? And he said, I know who did it. Ms. Ok did it. Right. And they're like, Oh, no, we think it was you.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Because they were like, they didn't even look at Ms. I think that they just didn't want to do their jobs. And they were like, Oh, you they wanted him to leave them alone, basically. Like they wanted this to be cut and dry. And he's like, Okay, and they're like, Okay, you don't want to leave us alone. You did it.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

You're a cop, and no shade on cops. But if you're gonna half-ass your job, could you maybe half-ass a speeding ticket? Right. And not half-ass the murder of the three-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

They don't half ass it when they give me a speeding ticket. Let me try to speed it they take hundreds of my dollars.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Yeah, half-ass something that that doesn't involve the death of a toddler. How about that? Yeah. We're gonna keep an eye on it because his his appeal was just refused. It took them three years to refuse the last appeal. I don't think he's out of appeals. Right. I don't I don't know if that's a thing.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Do people really run out of appeals or is that a I've heard that it is a thing, but then you also hear that people just keep doing it. So I'm not sure if it's state by state or like circumstance dependent. I'm not sure. We need to start selling free button um responds. We do. We for real. It's like you said earlier, the Innocence Project needs to help this guy, not you so the Innocence Project LA is the one that's helping Scott Peterson.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

But they did say that this one that they appealed three years ago that's just been turned down, was the Innocence Project in Illinois.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Oh was taken up by the Innocence Project, and they still weren't able to Well, see now I don't I don't trust the Innocence Project because they've taken on Scott Peterson. If they get him off and leave Barton in there, yeah, that's we're writing. We're writing. We are writing 100%. What are we gonna do, Scott Peterson?

SPEAKER_01 18:50

So next week is the principal that hypnotized and then spot maybe since the week after. So two weeks from the release of this one. Okay. I've already started my notes and they are extensive. Y'all extra it's gonna be a long one like Casey Anthony.

SPEAKER_02 19:01

Yeah, it will be.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

And he well, he and Casey Anthony and Sherry Pepini can all go to that same school of lies together.

SPEAKER_02 19:09

Yeah, yeah. At least Sherry Popini didn't murder anybody, but like could she have? Who knows, maybe?

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Maybe she still will.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

Maybe no, no, no, no, Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Please, no, they should reopen Alcatraz for these people, right? I'm sorry, did I say that out loud? You did, and it's fine. I recorded it.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

Woo woo.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

Alright, I think we're done with the after show for this one. What do you guys think? Who else out there would join the free Barton McNeil campaign?

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Hopefully, everybody with common sense.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Right. Everybody that watches these documentaries like we did. I hate that you have to pay for the behind the bars one because I think if more people saw that, yeah, there'd be a bigger movement towards it. For sure. So anyway, thanks for subscribing, we loves you. We love you. And tune in next week for the and this is not a circle story, I promise, but the principal who hypnotized his school.

SPEAKER_02 20:13

This is not a light-hearted story. It sounds like a lighthearted story. It's not, just beware.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Yeah, it's a it's another shocker. We like we like covering the shockers. We do. All right, guys, until next time. Be divus. Not deadly. Bye.