Episode 16: After Show

Boy do we have things to say about hypnosis! Tune into the after show for all the deets!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:20

Hey, Deadly Divas and dudes.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Welcome to the after show. Which we totally planned and did not accidentally press record.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

I just saw the countdown and I was like, I guess we're ready. Guess we're rolling. So this is the after show for the principal and hypnotized school. That fucking scumbag. Yeah. We were still highlighting those, but let's go into them.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Yeah, let's get into it. And the one, the main thing that I really want to discuss is what was Principal Kenny's ultimate motive? Like, was it for his ego, for his own control? I truly wonder if he was headed for something darker if he had been allowed to continue. Like, was he really going after making himself a cult? Did he want to be a cult leader? Did he want to see how far can I take this? How much control can I really have over people?

SPEAKER_02 1:15

See, at first I thought, again, the whole school culture thing where the school wants to have the best football team and the football players want to go to college on a scholarship. So at first, what immediately jumped to my mind was he wants his school, because he's the principal, to be the best at football and the best at graduating classes. And so I really thought it was him trying to better the school, like, oh, while I was principal, we won all the championships and like that kind of thing, because it holds so much weight here. And that's what I thought at first. But the further you got into it, and the heads in the laps and the recording, then I was like, there's no reason to do that if you're just trying to make your school more popular. Right. So that's when it got feeling to me like he was a control freak. And that he wanted to do it just because he could. Right. And for power. Yeah. So that was where I kind of changed my opinion as the story went on. I just think that he he wanted to control everybody and he had some kind of power kick from it and he could get away with it.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Yeah, and just the the touching, the head in the lap, the rubbing, the tapping, like it's not appropriate to be touching your students. It's not appropriate for a grown man to be touching 16-year-olds. I don't care if it's quote unquote in a sexual way or not. But that's if he got off on that. Right. That's what I was about to say. We don't know what his intentions were. Maybe he would get off on this, and maybe that's why he did record it so that he could go back and watch it later. Maybe he was selling it online and making money off of it for all we know.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Oh, that would be awful.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Yeah. And selling online whatever else he was doing. Right. The things that he supposedly deleted or got rid of. And I makes you wonder why there wasn't further investigation into that kind of stuff. I think that he's an absolute sicko, and I think that because he didn't face any real penalty and he was just allowed to move somewhere else and start life over where nobody knows him. He's either A doing the same type of shit or B something worse. And now he knows how to hide it better.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Right. I mean, he couldn't be a principal of a school again with that kind of record and history, I'm sure. But he opened a bed and breakfast. There's probably a camera in every bedroom there.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Oh, for sure. I didn't even think about that. He's definitely got that place bug. Yeah. I wouldn't stand his bed and breakfast. Hell no. Wow. I didn't even think about it.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

Maybe he's hypnotizing the people that stay there and he knows into their rooms at night. Right. He could be.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Yeah, he shouldn't be running a bed and breakfast. He should be nowhere near people. Period. Period. We need to send him to the fucking moon.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

So I also have down here that when Wesley's parents go to see Dr. Kenny to ask them about the hypnosis. Wesley was one of the ones that committed suicide, right? Yes. And he acted weird when he got home, didn't talk to his mom. She was calling him for dinner and stuff and getting no response. And he commits suicide and they're totally like baffled, bobsmat. Um, and so they go and see Dr. Kenny and they want to talk to him about this hypnosis and try and put things together to make sense for them as to why this happened. And he says, Well, I don't really remember him specifically. There's a lot of kids in this school. Which surprised me because one, he's this loved principal, everybody knew and loved and was involved in everything. But we also know for a fact that literally days earlier he had him alone in his office and hypnotized. Right. So that's a bunch of bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

And he was recording it, probably.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

So yeah, he definitely knew. I mean, at least be sympathetic. I mean, to say the grieving parents, I really don't remember him specifically. Right. Even if that is the case and you're a principal, like bullshit your way through.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

And that's contradictory to how everybody described him. He was this caring individual. He cared about everybody, all the students.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

So if I was a principal of a school that had 5,000 kids and I didn't know them all individually, but one had just committed suicide and the parents came to me, I would l blatantly tell a white lie for the sake of those parents, and I would be like, he was a phenomenal student. He's gonna be such a great loss to the school and the stuff that you're supposed to say.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

But even so, like in in situations like that, if you have any type of authority, like you take a fucking crash course, and if you don't know, you have people to tell you, oh, he was in this class, he was on the football team, he was a straight A student, he had this girlfriend that was in this class.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

He should have like a like a politician would have somebody doing the research for them. Right. And so now you've got two people that commit suicide in the same high school in the same year. If that's not a fucking coincidence, then I would seriously be looking at the counseling in the school or just the general like that that's just weird. It is, it's very weird. Even if you didn't know about the hypnosis, two kids in a fairly small town, right? Yeah, that had no prior mental health issues commit suicide within a short period of time. That should have been looked into.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

Yeah, and then another one, you know, just drove off the road and he was in a trance-like state, and he had no history of seizures or strokes or any medical conditions. Very odd. And the girlfriend said that he looked demonic during it. So I mean she said, yeah. Crazy. So that is very telling.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

And then it seems like the way that this actually got to being investigated was a reporter heard about the multiple deaths, and her kids used to go to that school. So she was the one that tried to investigate it because she was like, wait a minute. Right. I know that school, those could have been my kids. Right. And kudos to her. I agree. I didn't write her name down, unfortunately. She should have been shouted out by us, whoever you were. I think it was in like the way, you guys.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Uh, I would know her name, but Google Docs kicked us. Yeah, they this is the third time that Google Docs has now kicked us out. We cannot access any of our notes, our expenses, nothing. All my 100 episode ideas, everything is gone again. So I I'm pretty sure her name was Elaine something. And way to go, Elaine, if that's your name. I hope it is.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Yeah. Good job, girl. So, in the civil suit that was brought about by the parents, there is a deposition. And Dr. Kenny confesses during this deposition that he did not know that hypnosis could make teenagers more likely to get depressed and commit suicide. Shit, you should know when you're gonna hypnotize teenagers, dude. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

For I mean, well, he trained for a fucking week. Okay, so I didn't go in depth into this in the actual episode, but they interviewed this guy, and again, I would know his name if I had my notes, but he uh trained at the same hypnosis place. And he literally works on like cruise lines and state fairs and shit like that as a hypnotist. And he said, Yeah, we trained under the same exact person for one week. So obviously, no, that's not enough time to be able to know how to therapeutically and medically do this. I think I want to be a heart surgeon. Do you know a week course for that? Because I've got about a week to spare to train. I have a Coursera subscription and I'll look on there. That'd be great.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Even that or rocket science.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Oh, well, you actually don't even need any qualifications to be a Craigslist doctor. You just go stick something up.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

Sweet.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Yeah. Nice. And then Wesley's mom, she said at the end, you could offer me two million dollars and I'd rather have my kid back. And I a hundred percent hear that.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Yeah. Yeah. And then she also talked about so, like, not only did she lose her son and she was betrayed by the school, but she said that the town treated her poorly and the other families poorly because they all worshipped Principal Kenny. Like he could do no wrong. Like a cult. Like a cult, right.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

And cults are cults, cults are often hypnotized by non-licensed ego freaks. Yep. Fucking crackpots. So let me ask you so many things about hypnosis, okay? Mm-hmm. Um, number one, would you ever be hypnotized for fun, like at a state fair on a cruise ship?

SPEAKER_01 10:24

So it's so funny because I have a friend who worries about my health, and he wants me desperately to change my diet. And I'll tell him, like, oh, I had 17 cupcakes today, and he'll be like, Oh my god. Earlier she said 47. She's cutting it down for the I I know I still want 47 cupcakes. But I was like, Oh, like I'm having a sweet cravings today, like I really want this. And I told him, like, I ate this and this and this. And so he just worries about my health and he wants me to have a better diet because I have like some chronic medical stuff, whatever. And he told me that I needed to go get hypnotized and that maybe that would stop me from craving sweets.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

So I was gonna go into the different types of hypnosis. One would be for fun, like at a carnival or whatever. The second one would be for like quitting smoking or like you're talking about. But then also the third one being like just say that you witnessed a murder and your brain has locked you out of that memory and you could be hypnotized. So that's where I was going with that. Was first of all, would you do it for fun? Secondly, would you do it to help you quit something? And then thirdly, would you agree to it if it could unlock a memory that you didn't want to?

SPEAKER_01 11:42

This is an interesting question. I know that's why I asked. Um so for fun, no. That would not be fun for me. I'm such a control freak.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

And and I also am not so much of a control freak, but I think the fun is for the other people. And I I don't want to be the the butt of the joke. Exactly. I don't nobody does. Nobody does. But people will volunteer to be the one that's hypnotized. It would never be me. It would never, ever, ever be me. Right. And I kind of find it awkward because I've been to shows in Vegas, like Chris Angel and stuff like that, that I've been to see. And I don't know, it's not fun for me to watch somebody else be human.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

Right, I agree. I'm so glad we agree on that because I feel like most people just eat it up. They think it's the highest form of entertainment. No, it's the lowest form of entertainment you've got.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

I mean, if you want to be called up on stage as a volunteer to do whatever, as long as you're conscious and you know what you're doing, you can leave at any time. But giving up your free will almost to be hypnotized and then you have no recollection of what happened, but everybody else was laughing at you and you don't even know what you did. No thank you.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

Yeah, absolutely not. No thank you. Now, the second part of that question would I get hypnotized to stop smoking or eating 47 cupcakes? Right. No.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

Uh that's where we were going when your friend suggested that.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

And I you didn't contemplate it as a not for a second. No. Because A, I don't think that it would work. I'm I'm the most stubborn person any of you will ever meet. And I don't think that it would work on me at all. Not even a little bit. But also, it's kind of scary. Like, even if it did work, then if I quit smoking or I quit eating cupcakes, whatever, what else happens to my brain?

SPEAKER_02 13:23

That's a CI. I would be worried, what else happens to your brain if that person while you're under hypnosis also has you do something else other than quit smoking? But I'd be like, I will do it, but so somebody needs to be in the room with me so that I know that you didn't do anything else other than that. Right. Because my trust issue would be there. But my fear would be say it was to eat less, is that I would then become anorexic? You know, how do you draw a line? I had never thought about that. Yeah. When you s when you say, okay, now you're gonna eat healthy, now you're gonna do you then turn a switch in the brain that goes the opposite way? Like, how do they have control over how much they've turned around the situation?

SPEAKER_01 14:04

And can they? Maybe there's a scenario where they can't, like they fucked you up. That's my fear, is like you turn me on and now you can't turn me off, or vice versa. It's like, well, you probably don't know, but Stephen King's thinner. Do you know that story? Have you read that book? It's a long story. But basically, this guy, he's overweight, he's desperate to lose it, and he sells his soul, and he gets thinner, but then he can't stop losing weight. Right. That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 14:31

Now, smoking, maybe, because what's the opposite of that? Right. I mean, there is you probably know he hates everybody else that smokes. Yeah, which I'm an ex-smoker. Really? I hate the smell of smoke. Right. And I'm probably more sensitive to it than somebody that's never smoked. Right. So I think just quitting smoking, period, makes you extra disgusted by it. Yeah, probably. I could see that. So I don't think that hypnosis for that could necessarily be like too too much. I mean, I do think it's it's a bit of a dive swallow when you're playing with the subconscious mind. It is, exactly. Now, if it was the third scenario, you go first. What what remind me? So you witnessed a murder.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

And your mind has blocked it out, but the information in your brain could convict the murderer, but we can only get to it by hypnosis.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Okay, so I'm I'm seriously thinking about this right now. And if if we know factually, like if it is a slam dunk that I hold this piece of information that solves this.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

And I think there's different degrees to this too. If somebody killed your child, you'd be like, sign me up. I need to know who did this. Yeah. If somebody killed um an acquaintance that wasn't a good friend, then I could see it still being appealing. And if somebody killed a complete stranger, you're not going to be as compelled to do it as if it was your own child. So I think there's different degrees of this too. But you're very much like, this is right, this is wrong. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

So it wouldn't matter who it who it was, who got murdered or whatever. It would it would have to be a slam dunk for me to do it. Because what else are you unlocking in my brain? It's it's a risk, basically. I don't know what else you're gonna unlock, and it might be something that I don't want to remember or have to live with.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

So if it's a slam dunk, yeah, I'll do it. If it puts a murderer away, yes, the answer is yes. What other scenario do you think would be a definite yes for you?

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Because it sounds like for the majority, you're a definite no. Yeah. For the majority of scenarios, you're a definite no. But there are some big gray areas where you might have to be a yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

I can't think of any. What are can you think of some?

SPEAKER_02 17:00

I mean, say it wasn't a murder. Say you personally were raped.

unknown 17:04

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

That never happened.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

But say you personally were raped and you you know who did it, but it's locked away.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

No.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

You don't want you don't want your um abuser locked up bad enough. So you remember the whole rape and everything, that's not gonna come back to you, it's not gonna traumatize you. It's just the face.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

I mean, yeah, if it's a if it's if there's a rapist out there, then yeah. Like I'll yeah, I'll do that. But it has to 100% get him locked up. Right. Like we have to know 100% it's a slam dunk. Then yes. If it gets a rapist off the street, I'll do it. Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Again, it comes back to that like right and wrong thing, like you have to do the right thing. Yeah. You're compelled to do that.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

Um, I would do it in a scenario if it was me or if it was one of my children that would you do it for me?

SPEAKER_00 17:52

Of course. Good. I would do it for you 100%.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

Um talking of which, do you remember me telling you um about the time that I was 16 and I was in Mallorca, and I put myself in a situation where I got locked in a car, um, and somebody that definitely didn't have good intentions was trying to um hurt me, and I got out of the situation uh without going into too much detail, but that was the scenario. So I was I was on vacation with family, I went off by myself, dangerous thing to do. Found myself in a situation where I was trapped in a locked car with a man that um wanted to do things I didn't want to do. And I did get out of the situation without anything bad happening, but my brain actually rocked it out for a good 10 years. Wow. I didn't actually remember it until something I was about 26, 27, when something else happened to me that was unpleasant, and I suddenly remembered that. And that was to the day that that memory suddenly came back to me is like living the day it happened all over again. You feel that fear. Yeah. And I think my That's what scares me. That's why I hesitate. I don't know whether my mind blocked it out till I could handle it, or whether the memory was um opened up once something similar happened. I don't know. But it it was really the scariest thing to suddenly remember something that happened 10 years previously and be like, oh fuck, that happened. Yeah, like that really happened. I didn't dream that, I didn't make that up, that happened.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

Scariness.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

And and it suddenly clicked in my brain I was lucky to be alive.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

We've both told lucky to be alive stories today. We have. Oh my god. We have. Um, but I that to me was like an indication of of how your subconscious can totally block away something, which is why it fascinates me and why I asked you the question you know, would you let hypnosis unlock something in your subconscious if it was a legal issue where somebody would get locked up? Because I've literally had that happen to me.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:04

So I know that it can happen where a memory can deliberately block itself off. It's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

It is, isn't it? Humans are fascinating.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

All right, what about you guys out there? Do we agree with hypnosis? Do we think it's entertainment? Is there anybody out there that would be the first to jump up on stage and say me, me, me? Or anybody out there that would say no, never, not even if it got a murderer said.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Yeah, let us know. I mean, I Inquiring minds want to know. It's definitely controversial. I mean, I I think a lot of people think that it's just complete bullshit, woo-woo nonsense, but like there's scientific data behind it that like there's something there, and that's exactly why I would never do it, because there's something there.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

It's not complete nonsense. Yeah. For real. Yeah. We know for a fact that we don't use the majority of our brain power. And so therefore, there has to be a way to tap into it. Um, if we could tap into it fully, man.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

I'm gonna travel, I wanna travel between universes. I want to go to a universe where everything doesn't suck. But you're scared of aliens. I wouldn't I might take the aliens at this point. Right. Shit.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Depends if they suck as much as people. Yeah. On that note, guys. On that note, that rosy note. We will be here next week. Um, I'm pretty sure the Scott Peterson I have to show is gonna be a card though.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

100%. We're gonna have so much to say about that. We're gonna roast him. Oh man. And then maybe the following week I'll do Lorraine Bobbit. That's gonna be seven.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

Yeah. What a contrast. Scott Peterson's Lorraine Bobbit. I love the idea. All right, guys. We are out of here. So until next time. Be divas like us. Yes, total divas. But please, please don't be deadly.