Episode 18 After Show

Join us for the after show as we discuss the Kouri Richins episode!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Hey, True Crime Divas.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

And dudes, welcome to the after show for Corey Richmond. That shit was crazy. That horrible, horrible bitch. Like, come on, Corey. I think I mentioned to you before, what if she had the grief book planned from the get-go as well?

SPEAKER_01 0:37

And I hadn't even considered that.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

She was like, not only am I gonna kill him and claim all the money, I'm gonna write a book because everyone will read it because I'm the poor widow and make a bunch of money off of that too. Because I think she'd liked the fame and the TV and all of that stuff too.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

For sure. And something else that I learned about the book was that, you know, she actually didn't even write it. She hired a ghostwriter and they wrote it. She paid them to write it and then she self-published it, which means she paid to publish it. Right. So she actually seems like she doesn't really have a creative bone in her body, and she was just using her money to try to do something, but she was just failing at everything else.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Yeah. So I mean, she may have had that planned from the get-go, or it may have popped into her head afterwards as another way to manipulate people into paying her for something she didn't even do.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Yeah. That's that's something to ponder, y'all. What do y'all think? Do you think that she had the book planned? Or do you think it was just, oh, I have this brilliant idea? Because if your husband dies, you shouldn't necessarily be brainstorming my next big move. How to make money off of it. Right, right. So maybe, yeah, maybe she did.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

I think if she didn't have it planned before she killed him, she definitely only did it as a money-making scheme after. There was no like, oh, there's no book for my kids to come to like you need a book to explain to your kids. Everything in that book you could say to your kids, and it means more coming from you because you're their mother, than reading it from a book. So I I mean, I believe it was a money-making scheme, whether it was planned before or after.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Yeah, and she definitely wanted the notoriety and the attention. She really seemed to enjoy that.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Yeah, going on TV to, oh, I'm the poor widow, and I wrote this book for my grieving children.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

She didn't seem to really get emotional on that.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Ever about anything.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Yeah, but on that TV appearance, especially, like you would think, like if you're playing the grieving widow and you want people to really buy your book, you know, maybe you should play it up a bit. Yeah, produce a tear or two. But um, I didn't see that. I just saw those shark eyes.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

And she was on TV like a year after his death. I mean, isn't the first year, the first anniversary, supposed to be the worst? She should have been falling apart on TV.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

The first year after you lose somebody is excruciating. Right. So the fact that she's going and still buying mansions and writing a book and suing people and like just I mean, it's nonsense. And how did she not know this was gonna make her look horrible? Because she's dumb. She's dumb. Yeah, she's dumb. And like punching his sister in the throat. And the poor sister, I it's Katie and I can't remember the other sister's name.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Katie was the main one, though, that was the executive, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:39

Yeah. And she was just hysterical. She was having a panic attack the night that he passed. He was, she was literally having a panic attack. This woman could not breathe. She was just in the floor. And meanwhile, Corey is standing over there cool as a cucumber. And that's what I'm saying. So they were thinking she was acting like Corey should have been. Right. Right. And she asked, Where are my boys? This the sister did. Corey wasn't worried about the boys ever. I never saw her even mention them unless there was one time that the police said, Where, where are your kids? And she's like, Oh, they're in their bedroom listening at the door. They have their ear to the door. And I thought that was a really weird thing for her to say because how does she know their ears are at the door? And like, why would you say that?

SPEAKER_00 4:27

And if you thought that their ears were at the door, you'd probably either get somebody over to watch them to distract them, or you would go up there and put on a movie until you're ready to tell them everything that's going on and tell them to sit in bed and watch the movie. You don't want them listening in. So if you think that's what they're doing, distract them in some other way. I think if I was in that situation, I would just immediately have to have somebody come get them while the worst of it was going on so they didn't have to witness.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

And that was what the sister was trying to do was to make sure that they were squared away, but their own mother wasn't. And speaking of the kids, Corey apparently had also semi-recently, when this happened, taken insurance policies out on them as well, which no, which is something that, you know, parents do, and like I get it, and that's fine. But apparently they'd already had insurance policies. So why is she getting extra insurance policies? And we don't know what her motive was. Yeah, it's it's very chilling given everything else that we who has custody of them now, the sister, thank God. Because obviously, like Corey's family is not good people. Oh, that's scary. It's very, very, very scary. And by the way, what like this happened in Utah, as so many other things do. And like, what is going on in Utah? Like, all of the craziest shit comes out of Utah. Like Ruby Frankie, which is just so horrific. Um, and I think last time we were talking about it, you said you weren't that super familiar with it. But she had the YouTube channel, and at one point she had millions of followers, and it was her and her, I think, five or six kids. It was called Eight Passengers. And um, she was she was a Mormon and just basically completely psychotic. She ended up in a cult and ended up like holding her children captive and starving them and torturing them. And one of the little boys, I think he was 12 or so, he actually escaped. Like she had them bound so that they couldn't escape. But he one day he escaped and he went over to a neighbor's house and asked the neighbor to call the police, and that's what blew the lid off of all this. But like this was many years in progress.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Thank goodness he did, though, because a lot of kids that grow up in a family like that don't realize it's wrong. They think that that's how all kids are treated.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

Exactly. And he had a sister, so most of the kids, I think at this point, were older teenagers or were adults and had moved out, but then there were still the few younger children. So he had a younger sister that was also being held captive in this house. He escaped and he told the cops, like, hey, my sister's still there. And all of this is on body cam. And I don't recommend anybody watches it if you're very sensitive, because it pretty much traumatized me. But the body cam footage shows them like breaking down this woman's door and like going in and rescuing this little girl. And she's just sitting Indian style on the floor in a closet that is completely bare, no furniture, just an empty room. And she won't even speak. Like the cops come in and they're like, Are you okay? What do you need? Come here. We're here to save you. She would not say a word. She's just like, she was so stoic, she just sat there and stared straight ahead the whole time. It was one of the most horrific things I've ever seen in my life. But yeah, that's Ruby Frankie. I'll definitely do a whole episode on her because that whole thing is insane.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Very, very messed up. I want to know how the children are doing now, too. Make sure you do a follow-up.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

I definitely will. I think they're doing much better now. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Um I mean it can't be done much worse.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Yeah, it was it was bad.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

But you know how I am with the kids though.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

I just need to know that they're gonna be. Yeah, no, they're they're doing much better now. They're out of that hell. But yeah, so there's that case, there's Taylor Frankie Paul, who is on or who was on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which, and that's not a show that I've ever watched, but like I've heard of it. I've never watched any of those Real Housewives. I watched the first one, or maybe this I've watched some of New York and some of New Jersey, and maybe some of like Orange County or something. Way, way, way back when. Like in the 11th 2000. Not the Atlanta one. No, maybe I did watch some of the Atlanta one. I don't know. It's one of those shows that like I have to be in a very specific mood to just want to watch cheesy, stupid drama. Well same, otherwise it would just great. Yeah, exactly. So I'd never seen the Salt Lake City one. I'd want to throat punch them. Exactly that. Um, but this Taylor Frankie Paul thing where she threw a chair at her young daughter, and like she's all in hot water right now. And then there's Mary Cosby, who is was also on one of those shows. I can't remember which one, but she is like leading a cult right now. She is the pastor of a church, and it's kind of like the cat cult ordeal where she's just draining all these people's money, and she married her grandmother's husband. Okay. That's what I said. Yeah. So that I'll do an episode on her too. But point being, what's going on in Utah, y'all? Because it's starting to kind of overshadow the stuff coming out of Florida.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

She's if you want to join a cult, it seems like Utah might be the place to go.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Yeah, it definitely seems like Utah would be the place to go. Well, if you want to join a cult. Uh, not that I'm recommending it. Like, don't do it.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

Not unless we start a cult, then join it.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

Yeah, then you can join our cult, but we won't mistreat you. No. Promise.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

So you touched upon the affair. I just want to talk about that poor guy. Oh man. I feel like he did not know what he was getting himself into and that she completely blindsided and corrupted him. And that I mean, he knew she was married. Yeah. So he's not completely blameless insofar as he did have an affair with a married woman. But that poor guy did not want to be at that trial. He did not want to sit through all of those messages that he privately sent her. I felt for him.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

I really, really felt for him because he did not seem like Corey at all. He seemed like a genuine person who made a mistake. And he got emotional like so many times on the stand. And I remember this one specific time he had been asked something. The judge said, Do you need a break? Yeah. And he literally goes, I don't know what I need. And like you can tell he's just completely exasperated. He has no idea what to do.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

And then he says, I just need to get through this and he just wants to carry on, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:25

Yeah, yeah. So I mean, I think that she traumatized him. I hope that's a very good idea.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

He was looking at her crying and she was shark eyes back.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Yep, shark eyes. She does not care about a single human being. She cares about what she can obtain.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

And he probably thought that she really loved him, and he probably would have ended up the same way as her.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Oh, a hundred percent. If he'd had any money, but he she was his source of income. Well, but no, she could have taken out insurance policies. True, true. Now, but that's when it gets sus, but she's not smart, so what does she care? But yeah, they went on shortly after Eric's death, they went on a car ride and they were just having a discussion. And he said that Corey asked him, Have you ever killed anybody? Because apparently he was deployed. He was in Iraq, he was in the military. And he's like, Yeah, in combat. And she's like, What did that feel like? How did you feel? And he's like, hmm, that's kind of a red flag. Yeah, can we say red flag alert? Yeah, that's not something that I would ever ask somebody from the military.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Well, I don't ask anybody that period. Um if somebody said to me, Hey, have you ever killed anybody? Because I'm curious what it felt like, I'm pulling over the car and kicking your ass out. Yeah. I'd be like, freak, leave.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

And just as like a a basic decency thing, if it's somebody who has served, first of all, treat them with respect, but also realize they're probably traumatized from it.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

And don't want to talk about it. Yeah. Because even if they did have to kill somebody in combat, they probably didn't want to and don't feel good about it. Exactly. So that's like bringing up somebody's worst moment. Exactly. And as emotional as he was just at the trial, talking about having to listen to text messages between him and the woman that he thought loved him and that he loved, and he's just like crying over that. Imagine what it was like digging up memories for that kind of stuff with him. I don't know. I just, poor guy, should never have had an affair with a married woman, but he did not deserve all of that crap. He didn't. He seemed like a decent good guy.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

He did. He's, I mean, uh, like not to be derogatory, but he just seemed like a good old boy. Just, you know, not that bright, but sweet as can be. And probably hardworking.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

He worked construction, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Probably a hardworking, decent guy. Yeah. We hope that you're okay somehow if you hear this. Live and learn. Live and learn, Josh. That's right. Look out for the red flag. Mm-hmm. So meanwhile, she hasn't been convicted yet. It's supposed to happen in May, but her civil suits, those are still in progress.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

And I was wondering about that. If you file a civil suit against somebody that's spending their life in prison, what do you gain?

SPEAKER_01 14:20

Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's not much to be gained. You can't get blood out of a turnip.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

But um Well, you're not gonna gain anything monetarily, but maybe it's a um principal thing. You just wanna be proven right or proven wronged.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Yeah, which and I get that, but also you have to consider at this point, is it worth my time and money? Because obviously, even if you're suing for court costs, you're not gonna get those. So you're out even more money.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Right. And and she's already in prison for life. So she's being punished, whether it was for what she did to you or not. She's spending the rest of her life in prison. So she is paying for her sins.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Yeah. And here's the thing is with those civil suits, you know, after she was convicted of the murder, the literal day after, her lawyers quit and they said, We're not representing you in these civil suits. Good luck. Goodbye.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

Because she had no money to pay them sitting in jail and they don't want to work for free. Right. And they're like, now you're considered a murderer. We're not gonna win any civil suits.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

And we don't want to be associated with you anymore.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

No, we already look stupid enough.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

Yep, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Yeah, I don't blame them for that at all. But I do I do wonder what what these people hope to gain, other than just a judgment that proves them right or proves they were wronged by her because they're not gonna get anything back, unfortunately. As far as I know, there's no fund for that, is there?

SPEAKER_01 15:55

No, not unless they were to sue, I guess, Eric's estate. But then she for that to happen, her suit for a portion of Eric's estate, she would have to win that. And I don't think she's winning that.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Let's follow that. Yeah, we'll definitely follow that. See whether or not those civil suits play out and and what the end result is. What a mess she's made. Yes. She's a horrible mess. Who are the civil suits from? The the two people with the houses?

SPEAKER_01 16:24

The two people with the houses, yeah, and then the sister also I could I could be wrong on this. Um because I'm recalling from memory. I don't have this notated, but I think that one of the sisters also sued her or counter-sued her um for the estate for her court fees and her lawyer fees. Again, how are they gonna get that? Right, right. Yeah. And maybe it's it's just a way for Eric's family to just say, fuck you. Um, I I'm not opposed to that. Like if they have the money, go for it. Keep it.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

I mean, if it helps them sleep at night, yeah, then and they have the money, and but I don't think they're gonna I think that's a different matter. If it's Eric's family and they just need to prove that she was wrong in so many ways, I get it. The people that lost their houses, I think that they need to probably concentrate their funds, their efforts, and their time into putting their lives back together because they're not gonna get anything And it's not fair.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

That is not at all. And that's infuriating and it's disheartening and heartbreaking, but And it's hard to say what you would do in that situation.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

If it was you, would you just be able to move on and try and put your life back together? Or do you need some kind of closure, yeah. To be able to do that. So unless you're in that situation, I guess you can't really say.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

I mean, especially I think I can understand, especially from the best friends point of view, when you're betrayed by somebody like that that is so close to you.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

She's never trusting anyone again.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

No, she's not. But but I can understand why she might want some closure, or she might at least want Corey to say, like, yeah, I did it and I'm sorry. But Corey doesn't have a conscience, so that's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

And she's now in prison for life. She doesn't owe anybody anything in her mind. She's just She's been wronged.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

It looks like she's not in her prison for her luxury prison for the rich. Is there such a thing? No. Fuck no.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Because if so, can I just go there? Because it might be better. It might be better than working. Who pays for the luxury prison for the rich? Taxpayers. Yeah, I don't think there's such a thing.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

No. There's definitely nicer ones. And that's where all like your Bernie Madoffs and your Jeffrey Epstein sometimes end up in your P. Diddies. Not always, but um your Gilane Maxwell's. That's bullshit. I know. I know, I know.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Fall in bull. She yeah, so we'll we'll follow the um sentencing. For sure. And then we'll follow the civil suits and see. Maybe they're waiting for the sentencing to play out.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

Yeah, they might be. And by the time this airs, actually, the sentencing may have already happened because I think it's supposed to be early in May. So if that happens, then I guess we could do a quick little bit.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

I think this is the second week of May that this is released. So if we have to add some um audio onto the internet, we can.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Yeah. Okay. Well, any more thoughts on the horrible, terrible Corey Richens? What do we think her ultimate motive was? Do we think that she was just a narcissist? Do we think that she just was desperate to get out of debt? We think it was both. I think it was both.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

I think it was both, but I think it was 80% nar narcissism.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

I do too. I think that she was very calculated, and I think that she chose Eric because she knew that he had money. From the start. Yeah, from the start. Oh, yeah. I don't necessarily know that she had planned from the start to murder him, but I do think that she picked him as a cash cow. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. And then maybe she thought, oh, well, he's a millionaire, so I'll be able to do whatever I want.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

I'll have all this money. What bugs me is when people pick somebody for a reason like that rather than it's somebody that they love and want to be with for life, is that they then have children with them. And I get that if she's trying to pick up. Right. I get that if she's trying to get his money for life, then having children with him is the best move to do that. But to go ahead and have three kids on somebody that you're only married to for convenience, really, just is irresponsible.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

It's irresponsible. It's sick. Like now the the poor children who did not ask to be here have to suffer for the rest of their lives because they have lost both parents. I mean, there's so much trauma in that family.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

I mean, there's there's losing both parents, but then there's also losing one parent because they were murdered by the other. I mean, how do you get over that? You don't. You don't. You change your name and you move away. Uh-huh. And you don't tell anyone. Yeah. All right. I think it's probably time to drop this one. It's time to say goodbye to Corey Richens. Bye. Bye Felicia. Bye Felicia. All right. So next week we have the Grizzly Grannies.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Helen and Olga. This was like such a fascinating and crazy story.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

That was one I brought up to you hadn't heard, right? Yeah. It just kept getting worse and worse. So I'm excited for that one. Me too. I think it's gonna be a good one. It's definitely unusual.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

It's definitely an unusual.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

Because I mean, like Craig Richens, we we hear of spouses. Tale as old as time. Right. That kill other spouses for money or because they're having an affair or whatever, in this case, both. But the these two old ladies, I've never heard anything like it.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

No, it's actually unbelievable. And you guys know me. I I don't know what I'm doing next. Possibly the Gilgo beach killer because he just pled guilty. We'll see. We'll see. That fucker. He was evil.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

Are you super familiar with that or not really? Well, I listened to the Dateline 30-minute update. Oh, you gotta do it this week.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

You gotta do a deep dive because it's it's horrific. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

And how he's only admitting to like eight or something.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

And his wife is even more unbelievable. We'll we'll get into it in the episode, but like, yeah, you gotta I think you have to do that one next now. Okay, okay, you're right. We've talked it up, and so now I'm obligated.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Yeah, it's just obligated. And you gotta follow up the grizzly granit, so it's gotta be a good one.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Yeah, oh it's gonna we have two really good episodes coming, y'all.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Yep, yep. So I guess until next time. Be divas. Not deadly. Bye. Bye.