Episode 19 FREE After Show

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SPEAKER_00 0:21

Hey, deadly demons. And dudes. Welcome to the after show for the grizzly graves. That would be Helen Gollet and Olga Rutter Schmidt.

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Two truly unbelievable people.

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Definitely look up the pictures of these two. We found them quite interesting, didn't we?

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Yeah, the pictures uh definitely add a lot of context to the visual of what they were doing, for sure.

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By the way, welcome to the non-subscribers who are getting to hear an after show today.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Welcome, welcome, you guys. We're so glad that you are here.

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We love the aftershows. They're not scripted at all. Obviously, when we do our episodes, we have like a model script, like it's not word for word, but we want to make sure that we get facts right so we're not ad-libbing. Whereas the after show really is just the two of us shooting shit.

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It is, and you're here with us because we're all besties.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

I've got a couple little facts here that weren't essential to the story, but they are still interesting, and we just don't have enough time in a story as complex as this to put absolutely everything into the episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Yeah, so many juicy, juicy tidbits.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Like, for instance, Kenneth was actually murdered ahead of schedule. You know how they had to wait out the two-year mark to make sure that the policies couldn't be revoked? Right. Right. So Kenneth starts wandering off. Like he has the hobo homeless mentality. He's getting restless, he starts to disappear for days on end. And Helen and Olga are like, we put too much money into this for him to disappear on us.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

I wonder also, and this is just speculation, obviously, but I wonder if he became suspicious at that point. And he's like, what are these women doing?

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Well, and and supposedly they were helping him get back on his feet. And after two years, he's probably thinking, I need to be independent now. Right. Um, maybe he's out looking for a job or his own apartment or something like that. Right. But they start to get nervous that he's gonna disappear on them before they get to to cash it in and they've got this money invested, you know. How do how does their profit and loss look then?

SPEAKER_01 2:25

Yeah, they're like, this investment has got to pay off.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

So they had um he had a total of 13 policies on him, right? So some of them had passed the two-year mark, but not others. They were waiting for them all to pass, but they actually went ahead and did the deed early. So two of the policies had not hit the two-year mark yet, which was a bit of a gamble for them. It didn't mean they wouldn't pay out, but it meant that it was riskier. But they just hit the point where they were like, you know what, best take him out now and cash in on 11 for sure, then, you know, wait for the other two to mature and he's gone.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Yeah, and I think that it's very interesting the way life insurance works. And it's so crazy that you can take out multiple policies up to 13 or however many on the same person, and apparently none of the insurance companies communicate with each other because it's such a cutthroat industry. Right. And so maybe that needs to change, y'all. Like, hello.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Yeah. And they, you know, they made it very clear that insurance, like you can lie all day long on the application form, and they're not gonna check facts because they're they're just gonna want their premium. Right. The only thing they really check is if you go for a large amount, they're gonna want to come do a medical because they're gonna want to know the risk factor. But as far as like where you live, how much you earn, whether or not you're a shareholder in a particular company, they're like, whatever, they probably don't have the resources and the time to to research all of that. And so they take your word for it because they they want to get that premium and that bonus or that um commission or whatever the salesperson's getting. And it's only once it comes to paying out that they're like, all right, let's go through this with a fine-tooth card and see what we can't find to deny it on. Um, which I I guess is a logical way to look at what, but I never really thought about it before.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

Yeah, financially, logically, that makes sense because when you're signing up for just a cheapo policy, especially, say you're paying like 20 bucks a month, like that's not a lot of money for you, but for the insurance company, they've got a million people paying them$20 a month. Well, that's$20 million in their pocket and they're getting that no matter what the current situation is, no matter if you have medical conditions or whatever. Yeah. But now if you wanna if you want them to pay you, that's a different story. They're gonna do some digging.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

My second little side note here, which the police found highly amusing, but again, wasn't essential to the story. When they go through Helen's apartment looking for stuff, they find a book on a side table. Well, they said there was like a rocking chair next to the door, and the book was right next to it, called The Sociopath Next Door. And they're laughing their little butts off saying the sociopath lives right freaking here.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Sh the sociopath is in the house. The call is coming from inside the house.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Yeah, I mean, it was a fun little fact, but again, something I was like, all right, that's not essential to the story, but it is kind of ironic.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

I can see her, you know, the little old lady sitting in her rocking chair with her cup of tea or whatever, reading this book about the sociopath next door, and she's probably reading it to like get some ideas for her shenanigans.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

Well, she's delusional and she's like, it's not me, it's the person next door.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Right. I'm a little old cranny. Maybe she thought that that would look good, like point the finger elsewhere. Maybe she thought it would point it at Olga.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

Ooh. Yeah. Which is what they were both trying to do all along. Now I'm gonna let you talk about the phone call because I know that that blew your mind. Oh my god. When the insurance company needs um a verification by phone, for was it Kenneth or Paul? I think it was Kenneth. I think it was Kenneth. So they call and need to speak to him personally, is what they say. And one pretends to be the secretary, and the other one pretends to be the person in question, even though it's clearly a female.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

Yeah, so it was Helen, right, that took this call. It wasn't Olga. I'm pretty sure it was Helen because she didn't have an accent.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

I thought one of them pretended to be the secretary, and then, or was it the same person changing voices?

SPEAKER_01 6:52

It was the same person. I'm pretty sure, yeah. I'm pretty sure it was Helen, and she was pretending to be the secretary, and then she was pretending to be Kenneth. But she gets on the phone, she's like, Hey, I'm the secretary. She's answering all the basic questions, and then the insurance rep is like, okay, thank you for answering those questions. Now I actually need to speak to Kenneth for this next portion. And she's like, Okay, let me go get Kenneth. And so she's like, Kenneth. And then she literally just herself like gets on the phone and she's like, Hello, this is Kenneth. Like, it's so obviously a woman trying to disguise her voice. It is so obviously the same person. And the insurance agent doesn't does not false her. No, just continues on with the interview as if this is totally normal. And Helen even says some at some point during the interview, like she gets this attitude. She and as she's disguising herself as Kenneth, and she's like, We already answered all these questions. I don't know why. Like, girl, you are literally committing fraud right now. How about you don't get an attitude with this person and just answer the questions?

SPEAKER_00 8:01

That's how they were they got an attitude with Ed. Yeah, and she does change her voice, but she doesn't even try and make it sound masculine. But I was thinking at it from the insurance rep's point of view. Like, there are men that have very feminine voices, and and what do you say? What do you say you don't sound like a man? I mean, what can you say?

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Yeah, I think bottom line, I I truly think that those people don't get paid enough to care. I really don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Probably they didn't care, but put yourself in that situation. So you're the insurance rep. It sounds like a woman, but what can you say that's not offensive if it is a man that has a feminine voice?

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Yeah.

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You know?

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Yeah. And even if you don't believe it, even if you do believe it's a lie, like to actually confront somebody and then, oh, what if I'm wrong? Then I'm getting fired.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Right. So And then think of um any companies that you call. When they want to verify it's you, they don't verify it by your tone of voice. They ask you for your social or your date of birth, or and they had all that information on those people. They're not going by voice.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

Yeah. Side and total, total side, side, side note. One time I was, this is many years ago, like two decades ago, I was calling the social security office for my mom for something. I don't even remember what, but she was literally sitting right beside me, and she had me call because I'm just better on the phone than she is. And um the social security agent like did the job that that insurance agent should have done because he called me out. He was like, is this actually actually like, you know, my mom's name? And I was like, no, but she like she's sitting right here. And he gave me this whole spiel about how it is a federal um offense if you impersonate somebody else to Social Security and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, my mom is sitting right here beside me. And he's like, nope, it doesn't matter. It's still a federal offense. I just want to let you know for future reference. And he was like giving me the business.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Bad Tina.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Yeah, very bad Tina. And I wasn't even doing anything like bad. And meanwhile, you've got these women who are out here murdering people, and nobody gets in their way.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

As you can imagine, I have to do it for Terry all the time. Oh, I bet. Yeah. And you obviously don't sound like him at all. No, I don't even pretend. I just make sure he's there. And usually you can just hand it over and he says, I give you permission to talk to my wife.

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And it's not a big deal.

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Because I'm I am better on the phone than him, or yeah. Otherwise, I gotta feed words. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

And it's just let me do it. It's easier if I do.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Just tell them that it's okay to talk to me. Like she debas lady, talk to her. Mm-hmm. All right, my next little note here. Oh, we mentioned the red paint that was on the car. Yeah, we gotta get to that. So the red paint was significant because after the car was used for the murder, um, there was a period of time between when it was used and when it was impounded. And the police were like, well, where was the car in the meantime? And the red paint was how they found out. So the car had been parked near a dumpster that a neighbor of Helen's had been complaining about. She wanted this dumpster moved, she didn't want it there. And someone had thrown red paint into the dumpster and it had gotten all over the dumpster and the sidewalk, and she noticed it splashed on this car. And while she was taking pictures of the dumpster and the mess and everything to try and complain about it and get it moved, she happened to snap a picture of the car with the red paint on it saying, Hey, look, this somebody's car has got paint on it because this dumpster's here. So she had this photographic evidence that this car was parked right near Helen's apartment next to this dumpster, and that that's where the red paint came from.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

I'm so glad you brought this up, and this tickles me so much because I am that woman. I am that paranoid persnickety ass neighbor. I'm right. Yeah. Like, what this is unacceptable. What are you guys doing? This is gonna damage my car. Somebody's gonna get injured. Like, I'm the one looking out my window. What are y'all doing out there? Taking the pictures. That's me. So someday, someday I'm gonna witness something that's gonna solve a crime. That's right. The odds are in my favor.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

Definitely, definitely. You'll be the one out there snapping the pictures and and um what also struck police as I guess fortunate for them is the next owner of the car never bothered to remove it. And remember, this was a silver car, so it literally showed up like red paint. Lucky for them, nobody had actually cleaned it up. Right. Um, right at the end, there was a hilarious moment where the judge is handing out the sentencing and he gets to say like a little something to the ladies. And he doesn't have much to say to Helen, but he had listened to those interrogation room tapes where Olga was telling Helen, hey, you got too greedy. This is why we got caught. This is all your fault. And the judge, I don't have it verbatim, but basically says to Olga, Yeah, you're calling everybody else greedy, lady, you are as greedy as her.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Pot meat kettle. I mean, she was a hundred percent complicit. Now, was she right that Helen made some mistakes and got too greedy? Yeah, she was right, but she was right alongside her doing the same.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Same thing for the same reason. Yeah. Um, she was making less money because they say how much each one got from each murder, and she was making considerably less. But I think Helen's lifestyle called for a higher demand of funds than because Helen was greedy. Yeah, well, yeah, she also she wanted to live that bougie lifestyle. She had an assay it is in her plastic surgery and her jewelry and it's like pe with people like that, no amount of money is ever enough. Agreed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Like you could have so much money that you would never be able to spend it all. Your kids would never be able to spend it all, and still they just want more and more and more. How many could try it? Yeah. It just it just disgusts me when there's so many people who have nothing and you have these people who just hoard money.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Well, and that's why they were pretending to be generous and and giving to the less fortunate.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

That's the definition of evil, by the way. Preying on the less fortunate. Yes, and treating human beings as paychecks.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

At one point it they referred to them as cattle. Mm-hmm. Right. I think it was Dateline referred to them as cattle because they were like, you know, Kenneth wasn't actually prime for slaughter. Right, right. And had to be slaughtered, you know, basically slaughtered earlier. And there was another article I came across when I was trying to find out like who was still alive, where they were, so on. I came across a very graphic article about the state of the bodies.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

And I decided to leave most of it out because it really, I mean, just you can imagine. But one thing they mentioned was I think it was Paul's, his glasses were still intact on his face.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

They said because they didn't hit them with any force, they were just rolling slowly over, back and over and back and over, so meticulously that even his glasses weren't which is why the hit and run theory was was so bizarre. Right. Like, how do you hit and run in an alley anyway?

SPEAKER_01 15:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Like you're not speeding, you're not I guess that's what they're saying is it's dark and homeless people sleep in an alley. But how does that happen a lot? I wonder.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

I don't know, but one of the investigators spoke in great detail about um, I don't know if it was Kenneth's Is Kenneth the one that with the gray station wagon. Or was that Paul? No, that was Kenneth. They talked about how the clearance of that station wagon was only six inches off the ground. And he described in just horrific, horrific detail, like what that must have been like for Kenneth. And it's like you you have to be completely soulless to do that to another human being. I mean, to murder anybody in general, right, is evil. But there's no comparison between let's say pointing a gun to somebody's head, bam, they're instantly dead. But running over and backing up and running over slowly and backing up. And like there's no way you're not hearing them screaming in agony. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Well, you hit a small animal and you feel that bump.

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And I feel, oh god, I feel so horrible when that happens. A and a human being, like you're evil. You're evil. That's it. You don't belong in society, you belong in a cage. Mm-hmm. Where they are. Yeah. Right now. Anyway, to lighten it up a little bit, um, this reminded me slightly of the movie Heartbreakers, which is from like, I think the early 2000s. Have you seen it?

SPEAKER_00 17:19

So you mentioned it when I was on my way over here. So I didn't have enough time, but it definitely sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

So it has Jennifer Love Hewitt, she plays the daughter, and Sigourney Weaver, she plays the mother, and maybe we can watch it sometime. But um Addicts the List. Yes. They play a mother and daughter. So the mom seduces and you know makes all these old rich men fall in love with her and they get married. And then after they get married, the daughter comes in and seduces this new husband and causes them to get a divorce, and you know, they get half the money. So obviously, not not quite as bad. They're not murderers.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

There's a lot of famous people in this. So Gordon Weaver, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Gene Hackman, Ray Leota, Jason Lee, Sarah Silverman, Zach Galapanakis.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

It was a good one, and I don't hear people talk about it a lot, but yeah, we should watch it for sure. All right, adding to the list. And another thing that I want to bring up before we end this after show is the whole reason that this got solved was because of the investigator that the insurance company sent out. It wasn't the cops. Now, I'm not saying that the cops didn't do as much as they could. I'm sure that they did. You know, resources are finite. But the insurance company sent out, oh God, what was his name? Ed? Yeah, Ed Webster. Yeah, Ed Webster. And he's the one that really broke this.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

I think that he broke it this early. I think eventually they would have got caught, but it may have been like two or three more dead bodies. Yeah. Right. I think that Ed's the reason why it got stopped when it did. Um, but I feel like the insurance company was just more motivated. Right. Because they had a reason.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Yeah, they don't they didn't want to pay.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

They didn't want to pay out a million dollars premium or two one million dollar premiums. So they were way more motivated to poke holes in what happened. Whereas the police are like, oh, it's a homeless man, it's a hit and run. They're not looking into insurance policies on some they look into insurance policies if the wife maybe killed the husband, then they're gonna look. But they're not gonna look into insurance policies unless they have a reason to.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Yeah, and this has happened on many occasions where investigators from insurance companies end up solving things before the cops do, or if the cops can't. And it's like maybe we should be using the same resources in our police departments, you guys.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

But they probably don't have the funds. Think of the funds the insurance company make from all those premiums they collect.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Insurance is a scam. They just take our money and then they don't want to pay us when we need it. But you have to have it. You have to have it, right? Yeah, you have to. For sure. That's so American of you to say. For sure. Is it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

For sure. Y'all.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

You're a real Mercan.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Merrickin. All right, tell me more about the upcoming episode of the Gilgo. Did I say it right?

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Yes! Yes, the Gilgo Beach serial killer is the story that I'm doing next. And just a monster, I mean, the definition of a monster. He preyed on sex workers and, you know, these really vulnerable, naive women. And he actually just pled guilty, which kind of shocked me, but also kind of didn't, because obviously he didn't want to go to trial and have the prosecution lay out all of this horrific, horrific evidence and and things that he did. But I think he pled guilty to eight. But investigators are pretty sure that there's more, they just can't necessarily prove it. But another really fascinating thing to me in that case that I will cover is his wife. Now, there are a lot of people who say that she was fully aware of what he was doing or had some inkling, and I don't believe that. I don't think that she knew that he was kidnapping and torturing and killing women. I don't think she knew. I think maybe she knew something was off, but she's like, Oh, you know, maybe he's having an affair, or, you know, who knows?

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Because who would think that your husband is doing this?

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Does it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

So I do think that people are being And then this shit comes up and you're like, I wish he was having an affair.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

Right, right. But I do think that people are being kind of unfairly critical of her. Um, I think that she just really was the kind of wife that was subservient and then did not ask any questions. And if you're a serial killer and you're doing all these horrible things, what kind of wife and partner are you gonna seek out? Are you gonna seek out some nosy bitch like me? No, of course you're not, because you're gonna get caught.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

You're gonna I was gonna say it happens a lot. Yeah, with with serial killers specifically, that they're like living two lives and happily married at home with kids and that those families know nothing about it. You see it, you know, quite a bit. Yeah. So it wouldn't surprise me. Am I right in thinking that these murders were all done like quite some time ago?

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah. So this actually started, I believe, in the 90s. I'm not sure of the exact year, but the it went on for over two decades, they were finding bodies on this beach, and that's why they called him the Gilgo serial killer, is because they kept finding these bodies on this beach.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

For many years, more than two years. I mean, sorry, 10 20 years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Two decks for a long time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

I couldn't I I only listen to dribs and drabs a bit, so I couldn't figure out whether he killed a bunch of people 20 years ago and they just found it, or whether he's been killing for 20 years. But it's very dexter to me.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

Extremely dexter, yeah. He had a a room in in the basement, and we'll we'll go into all of this, but he had a room in the basement that was like his wife and his daughter were told, you guys are not allowed in here. Do not come in here ever under any circumstances. And so they just didn't. Right. And flag. Right. Like that could never be me. Like, if this is my house, I have access to every every inch of it. Like that could just never be me. But and I think that that also goes to show you that like how subservient his wife was because she was just like, okay. And now couldn't could that ever be me? No, but that that is some people.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

So luckily you'll never marry a serial killer.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

I will no, I'll never, I'm never getting married, period. But I certainly wouldn't marry a serial killer because again, I'm too nosy. I want to know what you're doing and why you're doing that. Don't make sense. Explain. It doesn't make no sense. Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Yeah. Well, I think I'm pretty safe. I think if Terry wanted to be a serial killer, he'd probably need help.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

I don't get serial killer vibes from him. I think you're safe. I think I'm safe. What story are you doing next? That's a very good story. Oh, you're the one that doesn't know now. Uh-oh. Pull up the list.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Um, I did. Of course, you put me on the spot. My mind goes blank. As it does. As it does. I'm usually the one that knows in advance. I'm doing this one and this one and this one and this one.

SPEAKER_01 24:54

Let's pull up your your handy dandy notebook list here.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

So we've done oh, oh, the staircase. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

The staircase.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

That was next on my list.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

The staircase is a good one. Why is Epstein on my list? I'm probably not going to do Epstein either, to be honest, because I don't want to wind up. I didn't know I don't know what that is. You just told me to add it to the list and I added it.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

That somebody told me about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

Vicky White would be a good one too, though. Or maybe Fred and Rose West.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

I didn't know. That was one I was going to do as well. You know the one that was suggested to us to do? The older one with the sis were they sisters? Which one? Some somebody sent a Facebook message and they wanted us to do one about the sisters that I sent to you. Cold, please. I'm drawing a blank. Three sisters in black. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it turns out somebody asked a friend of mine to ask us to do it. Apparently, it's his family secret. He's related. Whoa. Well then we have to do that. I know. But I'm having a little problem finding a lot of information on it, but I will. I'm deter I'm a determined deeper. I'm gonna do it. It's called Three Sisters in Black, The Bizarre True Case of the Bathtub Tragedy. And that's a book, right? Yes. Okay. And I did actually buy the book, um, Oceana Sneed. Okay. So it was in 1909, and it's the murder of Oceana Sneed. Stages of Suicide in a Bathtub in New Jersey. So stand by for that one. Um, but I don't know how long it's gonna take me to get more info on that. So we will definitely be doing that one because we literally have a listener who is related to the whole thing. And then I live in Tocoa, Georgia, and the Tocoa Judge case is something that somebody in Tocoa told me you need to look into.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

We need to also do the one the lady from I don't know if it's Takoa, but it's Stevens County, and she had uh Munchhausen's by proxy. That's right. You mentioned that before. I don't remember her name. We'll we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Okay, so up next for me, I think I'll do Yeah, the staircase.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Undecided. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

The staircase. Okay, I'll hold you to it.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Uh-oh. There's so many different versions of that too, but I really did like the dramatization miniseries with Tony Collette.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

I don't think that I I gotta watch that one. I gotta watch it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

That's a lengthy one for you to watch too. You're gonna be like, what? How many episodes?

SPEAKER_01 27:33

I'll get through it.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

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SPEAKER_01 27:38

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SPEAKER_01 28:18

Talk at y'all next week. Until then. Be David. Not deadly. Bye.