Episode 21: After Show

Well we had a lot to say about this one after the episode, listen in our unscripted conversation as we discuss the episode immediately after recording it.

Don't forget to send us your feedback and ideas for future episode content at contact@deadlydivaspodcast.com!

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:20

Hey again, True Crime Dudes and Dudes. Welcome to the Gilgo Beach Killer After Show. Oh, it's going to be a good one. It is. We have a lot to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Yeah, because I really didn't give my feedback in the actual show. Um, because we ran a bit long and had a lot to say.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

So do you want to start? Are you just burning to give us your feedback on his wife? Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

So yeah, because you said to me, Oh, wait till you watch the latest one, because his wife gets even worse. And as to start off with, I'm thinking, well, this is kind of normal for a serial killer's wife, as normal as a serial killer's wife can be, insofar as he picked somebody that wasn't going to question, he picked somebody that if he says you can't go in this room, she's gonna say, Okay, no problem. Yeah, it could never be us. I mean, I wouldn't even try, I wouldn't say yes and sneak in later. I'd be like, Hell no, I live here too. What are you thinking? Like, no. Then you can stay the fuck out of my bathroom. Like, for instance, my husband and I have an outbuilding each, like a shed, or I'm turning mine into the dividend, the podcast room, and his has the the tools. So that's like his man cave, and mine is like my she shed. Uh-huh. But he's allowed in mine and I'm allowed in his. I mean, so I get that you want your own space, but I would never trust somebody that said you can't go in there when you freaking live there.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

That is a red flag. Red flag alert.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

For any of you women out there, even men, if you have a partner, a spouse, anybody that says you cannot go into this specific room in this house that you live in, that is a red flag and pay attention.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

And tell them it's a deal breaker. I can't live with you if I can't go in there. Yeah. And these are the types of things we were talking about, people being educated and so on. But anyway, what I'm saying is she is your typical person that a serial killer picks as a partner, somebody that they know that they can just tell what to do, somebody submissive, somebody maybe not that bright. I mean, we don't know her IQ, she just doesn't come across as that bright. Because I think an intelligent person wouldn't accept the fact that they couldn't go in a room in their house. Um, I would instantly think you had something to hide. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Yeah, suspicious minds.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

So there's that. And so that didn't surprise me at all. And then when she said, I'm not gonna believe it till I hear the words from his mouth, I didn't find that that unusual because even though they gave her all the evidence, people don't trust the police. If you've lived with somebody for 20 odd years and you think that you know them better than somebody that's been investigating them for a couple of months, it's really hard, especially if you're not that bright, to get your brain around the fact that your whole life has been a lie and that you knew a different person than they're telling you this is. And so I get that she was like, I need him to tell me. And then as soon as he does tell her, my reaction or my instant like conclusion with the way she reacted was she seemed to start making excuses for him, right? Making excuses for the evidence, or it's like she accepted the fact that he'd done it, but she was making excuses for everything. And I felt like maybe somebody that isn't that bright has a harder time getting their head around the fact of the truth, even when the person they wanted to hear it from says. And I felt like it was her way of dealing with accepting the truth, is she was justifying it not to defend him, not to cover it up to the police. I felt like that was mentally the only way that she could deal with it. Now, I believe you and I probably had a hierarchy than her. And I believe that you and I, like had we had our loved ones say to us, yes, I did this, we would be able to accept it and believe it and hate that person in a way that you should when something like that happens. We question everything, we're suspicious, we're very logical people. People like ASA, who are very submissive and they don't ask questions, they just don't have the same mindset where they can accept something like that just because the proof is in front of them. Their mind has to find a way to help them deal with it mentally and accept it. And I think this was all part of her accepting it herself was all the excuses that she made. Now, when you said to me that she slept in the room, I was like, all right, that doesn't really buy into my theory of her trying to accept it, unless sleeping in the room was trying to accept it. But the way she really came across to me, she was making excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse. And it just made me feel like she's just doing this so that her own fragile mind can move on with the exception that she now can't deny that he did it.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

That's a valid point, and with a lot of people, I'm sure that that is the case, but she doesn't seem to want to move on. She very much wants things to stay the same. She still wants to have a very lovey-dovey relationship with him, and she seems completely obsessed with him still. She always wants to be talking to him, be talking about him. She remodeled that basement and sleeps in there every night, and she said that it gives her comfort. And I think that it's because that's where he spent so much of his time, even though it was spent in there torturing and murdering women. She does not care. Like this is all about her. She's totally selfish.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

So you and I would have to sell the house, 100%. We couldn't live there another second, right? And so that is peculiar, for sure. Going back to the Dexter similarities as well. It was the sex worker thing and the kill room in the basement that that gave me the Dexter vibes. I think he was killing sex workers not just because he didn't think that they would necessarily be missed, but maybe he thought what they're doing is wrong. And so these are bad people, so they kind of deserve it in a dexter kind of way.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

Yeah, I think he definitely is a misogynist. I think he probably hates women, and I think that it probably stems back to the issues with his mother, which is so common with serial killers. And that's one of the things that I'm like, okay, we need to figure this out and educate people. Because maybe if he had worked through some of this in therapy, which as an adult, you you should have the wherewithal to be like, okay, I'm having issues, I'm having thoughts that are not healthy. Let me see a professional. Obviously, he didn't, and he chose to torture and sexually assault assault and murder. Did he have sex with them? Yeah. Yeah, he sexually assaulted them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

I wasn't sure because you said like violent pornography, but sometimes to me that can mean just somebody that gets off on seeing other people tortured but not necessarily sexually assaulting them before or after or during torturing them. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

As I understand it, it it was all of the above for him. Got it. Because he would see these sex workers like the first couple times as just a normal client and to get to build rapport until they got comfortable. And then he'd be like, oh, let's go to my house. And then that's where he would murder them.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

What do you think all the firearms were about?

SPEAKER_02 7:56

I think he and a lot of people who are obsessed with guns, I think there's some kind of psychological reason there where you feel like this gives you power and control. Like I have 300 big ass guns, and so you will never have any control or power over me. I will always have it over you.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

I'm just wondering whether maybe he was either a doomsday prefer or whether he thought that if he was ever caught, he'd be able to lock himself into the house and defend himself with all that ammunition.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

You wouldn't need 300 guns for that though.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

You also don't need to murder people. Who knows how his mind works?

SPEAKER_02 8:31

I think that it was a psychological thing.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Make him feel powerful.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

Yeah. I I think it was power and control. And the murders were this about the same thing, power and control.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

And I I get that he had a decent job too. But one thing I couldn't help but think 300 guns and 350 devices cost a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

And yet their home was like never remodeled. There was shit everywhere. It was a border house. And he's spending all the money too to send the family away for a month to Iceland so that he can stay there and murder people.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

So another red flag, people. If your husband wants to send you and the kids away for a month and be like, go have a vacation without me for a month.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

Red flag. Not necessarily in and of itself a red flag if it maybe happens at once. Yeah, on a regular basis, that's if it's sad and if he's doing other things, like take a closer look.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Hmm. All right, let's dig into your after show notes because you got a lot going on here too.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Yes, I do. Okay, so the BTK killer actually made comments from prison that said Rex was his clone in a in the way that like he had a family and he was just living a normal life, and yet he was binding, torturing, and killing these women, and nobody had a clue.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

That sounds to me like he's almost trying to take credit for somebody else's work.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

Right. And that that goes to show you that people who commit these acts, these really, really heinous acts, are narcissists.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Right. They want to be famous and they don't want somebody else to undermine their fame. They're like, oh, he's he's not new and great, and I already did that. He just copied me.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Yeah, he's just a copycat. Which, like, that what a stupid thing to say. Like, how old are we? Are we 12?

SPEAKER_01 10:19

How about we just don't let him comment on anything?

SPEAKER_02 10:22

Right? Let's just have him shut up.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

No one cares what he says.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

Yeah. And his daughter, she actually did a whole documentary, I think, on Netflix. Did you see that? No, it's not YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

That sounds crazy.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Yeah. So she did a whole interview on Netflix. That's a whole other thing. But she was actually interviewed for the Gilgo Beach Killer documentary on Peacock. And um, she sat down and spoke with Rex's daughter. Because obviously they're kind of in the same boat. And A, I thought that that was really just a nice thing for her to do because she also has been the victim of really cruel shit from the public.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

And it must be really, really hard to talk to anybody that understands what you went through because you are thankfully just not a common situation to be in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

Yeah, at all. So I hope that that brought the daughter some kind of comfort. And I, you know, maybe we can have a friendship or or something, and that it's helpful for both of them. But yeah, I thought that was a really noble thing for her to do. And then you've got, uh, let's pivot, because the cops think that Rex has killed many, many, many more women across the country.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Didn't they guess at like 30 or something?

SPEAKER_02 11:36

They spent in a ballpark. Mm-hmm. So there's Las Vegas, Nevada. The police there have actually reviewed cold cases because Rex owned a timeshare there and he traveled there a lot. And there were some women that didn't exactly fit his MO, but they it was close enough so that they're like, Yeah, he could have done this.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Well, the big question was, was there a kill room in the basement of the Right, of his timeshare.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

And then there's Chester County, South Carolina, which is where he apparently purchased a plot of land and he eventually planned to retire there. Well, there was a string of murders in that area as well while he was there. So the cops are looking into that.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

If you never built on that land, they probably need to start digging it up.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

For sure. Yeah, they need to start digging it up. Yeah. And then in Atlantic City, New Jersey, uh, investigators there have reviewed unsolved murders of sex workers in that area to see if there are any connections to his distinct MO. And I think that it's probable that he's been doing this longer than 30 years. I think that he just never got caught. And I think that he spent those first years, however many years it was, a decade or whatever, learning and fine-tuning. And that's when he's like, okay, I have this down. This is what I need to do. I need to go find me a dumb wife. I need to build a kill room. And I need to do this, this, this, and this.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

That is another Dexter. He had the code, remember? The code? Yeah. It was just like his like step-by-step how to commit a murder. But yeah, he didn't just suddenly think, oh, I'm gonna start killing sex workers at a certain age.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

Yeah, there was a buildup in the documentary. Uh the there was a therapist interviewed in the documentary that was also speaking to Rex. And Rex did say that, like, in his early teenage years, maybe starting at like 12, that he was looking at kind of violent bondage type pornography. So that started very early for him and then just built and built over time.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

That word sprung into my head when you said the anchors in the ceiling and you said you'd not heard of that before. And I was thinking, have you not watched Fifty Shades? Because to me, to me, I was just like, well, that's a bondage room. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

And no, I haven't watched. I don't know. I'm pretty vanilla. But yeah, um, obviously he's a sick one. And there's nothing wrong with any of that, you guys, as long as it's consensual, consensual. I'm not saying don't do that, but don't murder people and don't torture people. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Yes, it's absolutely fine to have the anchors in your ceiling if you have a sex swing or something, but not to hang bodies from.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

Mm-mm. Okay. Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Just to make that clear.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Yeah, don't do it. Do you think? What do you think? Do you think that he has killed all these other women?

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Oh, for sure. Yeah, there's no way. There's no way it's just eight.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

No way.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

No way. Because he had it down to a science.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Yeah. That takes practice. And he was doing it for how many years? 30 that we know of. Right. So if he was doing it for 30 years and divide that by eight, so what he just took a couple of years off in between each one? No way. No way.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

And another thing is um he says that he stopped killing because he stopped getting the thrill. He stopped feeling that high that he used to get. But in reality, he stopped when the bodies were found and when this case started gaining public attention. And I thought that also really spoke to his narcissism. Oh, I didn't stop because I was scared. I stopped because I wanted to.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Yeah. And him saying, Oh, he didn't turn me on anymore. It's kind of a known fact that they just need more and more and more and more. It's kind of like a drug addiction. They just need more and more and more. So it probably got more gruesome and and more into the what did you call it? The violent pornography.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

The violent torture pornography.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Yeah, it probably just got elevated.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

Um, to because he needed more and more and more to get aroused or whatever. That doesn't usually just suddenly stop. They just usually get worse.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

And this is an epidemic in our society right now, like this pornography addiction. It's it's bad. I was talking to my friend last night and he had read some headline that Shannon Elizabeth, the girl from American Pie. Yeah. She's on OnlyFans and she made like, I don't know, 5 million or something in her first week on there. And he's like, I don't understand how these people are making this much money in such a short period of time. And I said, it's not shocking at all because there are 300 million men spending money on OnlyFans and who are absolutely addicted to pornography and who are ruining their lives.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

So the thing is with OnlyFans, is you have not on it, I've not been on it. But from what I understand, it's up to you how exposed you want to be on that. And when famous people go on there, they don't have to do it to the same extent that like your average everyday Jane has to do it so that she can make money. So I mean Shannon Elizabeth can be on there in lingerie and she's gonna make five million dollars and show her big toe and like and make $500 million. Um, but if it's somebody unknown, they've definitely got to push it a lot, lot further to start making money on something like that. And unfortunately, people do, I mean, inflation, everything's more expensive, nobody can afford anything, and people get desperate.

SPEAKER_02 17:07

They do, and I'm not I'm not shaming anybody. I'm just saying like consuming pornography constantly is actually so bad for your brain. Like it's psychologically.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

But it falls it, it falls into that same thing where more and more and more it's never enough. Exactly. And then that's where you get people that maybe Pornography's not enough.

SPEAKER_02 17:30

Let me go kidnap somebody.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

Well, yeah, or even just maybe get a bit rougher with my girlfriend. Right. Anything that's just not consensual anymore. Like a hundred percent consensual. Yeah. You know what I mean? People doing things they don't want to do, and even if it's not leading to murder or rape specifically, but just people getting more stuff's been put in their heads, and it's and and they just need more and more and more to get to that point they want to get to. That's my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

I agree. And if it if this is something that's consuming your life, like you can't go without it, like you can't focus at work because it's like, I need to be on OnlyFans, I need to be watching pornography, like you should seek professional help. Not necessarily, not necessarily saying you're gonna be a serial killer, but like if it is impacting your life.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

To a company once where everybody had a key to the office because it was like privately owned, and it was in a shared building. And there was only like three of us working there at the time, and the guy that was caught, he was like our website tech person. And the boss, the owner of the company, because I was customer service, there was an owner, and the tech guy, he had to go back to the office after hours to go pick something up, and he he caught the guy in there watching porn and no, yeah, because it's a shared building too, it was like so horrifying.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

See, shit like that, you guys. Shit like that. Anyway, so let's pivot. I think we spent enough time on this.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

But but also, I mean, do you think sex addiction is a thing that people can get right? So if you are spending all your time on that, maybe it's something you can control, but maybe it's something you need to seek help for.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Definitely. Yeah, there's no shame in it. Like, everybody has a vice, everybody has something except us. I'm not gonna tell y'all my vices as I sit my Starbucks here.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Our vice may or may not be chocolate from England. Yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Um, okay, and I really want to talk about this corrupt cop because this piece was crazy. Hit me with it. Okay. So the corrupt cop, his name was James Burke. He was the one that was like actively blocking the FBI from coming in to help with this case. And the he eventually was charged for an assault and a cover-up and conspiracy and civil rights violations. And that 2020, that 2012 beating involved a man named Christopher Loeb who had broken into Burke's police SUV and stolen a duffel bag. Let me just give you a little bit of background on Christopher Loeb. So Christopher Loeb was kind of just your everyday petty criminal, perhaps had some issues with drugs. So he would break into cars looking for stuff to steal, to sell for drugs.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

So like like trash bags. Yeah. I need to tell that story at some point.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

Yeah. So um he was apparently brave, or he didn't know, but he broke into James Burke's police cruiser and he stole a duffel bag.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

You didn't know it was a police cruiser, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

It may have been unmarked.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Even if it's unmarked, you can tell by all of the equipment inside on the dashboard and everything. Maybe he was brave. Maybe he was high out of his mind. Oh, yeah. Maybe he was I have no idea. Yeah. I mean, if he was breaking into cars for drug money, he probably was desperate and high. Yeah. So he steals this duffel bag.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

And in this duffel bag, there was Burke's gun belt, ammunition, which normal things you would typically find in a cop's duffel bag, right? But also sex toys and pornography.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Oh, I'm sure there were evidence from a case that he'd forgotten to turn in.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Right. So Burke finds out about this, and Burke and his colleagues beat the shit out of Christopher Loeb while he was handcuffed to the floor in their police precinct. And Burke then orchestrated a massive department-wide cover-up to hide the assault. And he coerced his colleagues to lie under oath, which ultimately led to his federal convictions. Thank goodness. I mean, don't they have cameras everywhere in police? I guess that was one of the things that he strong armed was like, hey, you delete this video. Hey, you make sure this camera doesn't work. You know, he was like the head honcho. So they did what he said.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Well, if he ultimately got convicted, somebody didn't cover up as well as he hopes they might. And good.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Yes. I'm glad.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

Well, I know, and that's what I'm thinking. Like if you're gonna do bad stuff in the middle of a police station and you're trusting other people to keep their mouths shut, that's a lot of trust you gotta have in a lot of people that worked for the police force.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

That's right. But yeah, um, he resigned from the police department in October 2015, and he was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison. And his arrest.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Do we know what the charge was?

SPEAKER_02 22:34

Uh for assault and cover-up and conspiracy and civil rights violations. Excellent. So yeah, his arrest lifted that cloud over the Gilgo Beach investigation and broke his stronghold on the Suffolk County Police Department, which finally allowed the FBI to officially join the case in December 2015. And that ultimately led to them catching Rex. Wow. That's like a deep side story. Yeah. And here's another thing. There's no proof of this. This is all alleged. This is all my opinion. You can call this a conspiracy theory. I have a friend that I send my scripts and notes to to read to go over. And I should probably do.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

You should, because feedback is good from an unbiased source. That's true. I just don't know anybody that'll read my 13 pages about the staircase.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Make make your kids, that's what they're there for.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Make them be good at that. You're right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

So we were just discussing the case after he read my script and my notes. And he said, like, you've got all these different bodies from these different people all in the same area. You've got this cop who seems like he doesn't really want to investigate this, like he's in no hurry. Like he kind of wants to cover it up. He's like, I kind of wonder if maybe they all know each other and they're all in on it together. Meaning this shame Burke and Rex and, you know, whoever else. The sex toys in the pornography make you wonder. Right. And James Burke also frequently used and hired sex workers. I mean, there's no proof of this, you guys. This is purely speculation. This is me putting pieces together. But it wouldn't make a lot of sense if this man knew about Rex and, you know, maybe even other people involved. Like he would be very motivated to cover it up and not investigate if he was involved or if he knew or if he was being bribed, or who knows what. Well, you Nancy Drew in a formal life. I think so. Yeah, I think so. I think so. But yeah, um, I don't know. I think obviously corruption goes very deep. And do I know it to be fact? No. But is it possible? Yes. Worse things have happened.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Exactly. Unfortunately, there's corruption in every company, department, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

And the corrupt people look for the power. They look for the positions of power.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Usually because they're power seekers.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

We need to stop giving these people legs up. Call these people out.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Well, I hope we get some feedback on this one. There's so much there.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

I hope we do. I hope that you guys enjoyed the Gilgo Beach Killer episode and the after show.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Yes, for sure. And thanks for subscribing. And we will be back next week with the staircase.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

Ooh, the staircase. Another horrible, horrible man.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

Yeah. I keep getting him and Scott Peterson because they're both Petersons bottled up, but it's because they're basically the same lying piece of shit.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

That killed them.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

Let's put those Petersons. I don't know. No offense to anybody out there with that last name, though.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

I'm sure there's some lovely Petersons out there.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Yes. Okay, well, thank you guys so much for subscribing. We will see you in the next one. And until then, be divas.