Episode 27: After Show

Join us as we discuss the episode about Barry Morphew.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Hello again, True Crime Divas and Dudes. Welcome to the Barry Morphew after show. Yeah. Let's get discussing this mess. I hate him. I just hate his guts.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

I just can't believe that poor woman fights cancer over and over again, and they all say how strong she was just to end up like this.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Yeah, and she was actually actively fighting cancer when she disappeared. And one of the ways that they identified her remains when they did find her, those three years later, because at this point, after three years, it was just skeletal remains. That was all that was left. But found with the skeletal remains was her cancer port, which is like the port that she had in her body that her cancer medication went into. And that was just such a disheartening thing to know.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

And I wonder if he thought that the cancer would take her out and it just wasn't doing it quick enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

He might have. And I'm glad that she brought that up because allegedly he would threaten her. Like she had been threatening to leave him for a while. Like she had not been happy for some years. And she would be like, I want a divorce, I want to leave, I don't want to do this anymore. And he allegedly told her, Well, if you leave me, you won't be able to afford your cancer treatment.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

And like I was wondering if he was resentful of having to be the one that was there for her during the cancer, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Probably so. He seems like the it's all about me type. And he probably didn't like having to take care of another person. He probably thought, well, Suzanne should take care of me. Did he know about her affair? So that is something that he supposedly did find out and was a possible motive.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Because I'm, I mean, I don't think like murderer, but I'm trying to think down his thought pattern if he was like, I stood by your side throughout this cancer stuff, and this is how you repay me, and I'm not dealing with any of this cancer shit anymore.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Yeah, I can understand if that was the case, why somebody would be pissed as fuck. Like I was with you throughout your cancer and now you're cheating on me, but I don't think that Barry was a supportive spouse at all. I think he had problems for a while. Yeah, right. He was controlling and abusive. Um I hate that she was strong enough to beat cancer, but not strong enough to stand up to him. I know. Well, I she was trying, like she told him, she sent him that text. Like, I'm done. I don't care what you're up to or what you've been up to for years. I just want to do this civilly, and I'm glad I said that because what do we think she was referring to when she said, I don't care what you're up to or what you've been up to for years, because I think it's an affair. It could be anything.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

I mean, it could be an affair, it could be recklessly spending their money. I think she just didn't trust him anymore. I'm hearing Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

And I don't blame her, but I think that it was an affair. Now the cops have found absolutely nothing to indicate that Barry was ever having an affair unless something comes out at trial, which I'm gonna be shocked if it doesn't. I don't believe that he wasn't having an affair. I think that he was having an affair.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

I thought I'd seen somewhere that he was having an affair with Morgan or that he wanted to. He was pursuing her, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

Right. Yeah. Well, she says, no. She was asked about it, and she says, absolutely not. We never had a romantic relationship. It was purely professional. But weren't the texts more than just work? Yeah, there was a little bit of like flirting or like pursuing, like you said. And I do wonder if maybe it was the start of something and it just didn't have time to develop, or maybe it was something and she is frankly being dishonest. We don't know. But if he wasn't having an affair with her, he was 100% having an affair with somebody. Like, and this is speculation. I don't know this, but I know men like Barry, and we see it in cases like this all the time.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

And I mean, even if he was like, no shade because she was too, but that's time for divorce.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Right, time for divorce. And she had wanted a divorce. She had been trying to get a divorce from him for years, and he would not allow her. Like he kept her trapped in the marriage and controlled. And she was texting her sister, her best friend, about this, about how unhappy she was, about how she wanted out, but about he would just not let her. Now, I don't know specific details, but it may be that, like, oh, if you leave me, I'm not paying for your cancer treatments. I mean, that's a compelling reason to stay because it's either I stay with him and I'm unhappy, or I leave him and I die of cancer.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

Did he own his own landscaping company?

SPEAKER_00 5:25

Because he owned his own business. Did she was? No, she was a they owned a deer farm in Indiana, but they moved from Indiana to Colorado, and she was not involved in any of his businesses in Colorado. She was just like a homemaker and a mother.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

I wonder if it was a medical insurance thing. Like if he had medical insurance that he got for his company for all of his employees, and that was what was covering her. Because if she didn't work, she wouldn't have had any medical insurance to pay for cancer.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

He was probably somehow paying for her health insurance, I'm sure, one way or the other, whether it was from the business or not. She wasn't working. She didn't have income. So it was him paying either way.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Yeah. So had she decided to leave, she would have had no medical insurance, no income, nowhere to pay a mortgage or rent a house.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure she would have gotten alimony, but like men like him, like, he would have made it a fucking nightmare. Like, this shit can drag on for years. And you have somebody like him that has all the money and all the power and everything on his side, like you don't stand a reasonable chance of coming out intact. You just don't. And the kids were grown, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:40

So no child support.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Right. No child support because the daughters were grown. But yes, he was a piece of shit. I do think he was having an affair, and I'll be shocked if it doesn't come out in the trial. And I cannot wait for this trial. This is one that I am going to be watching. We don't know if it's actually going to be recorded yet, and I hope that it is, because I'm just going to be glued.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

We'll do an update after.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

I'll probably do several updates throughout this. We'll see what happens in October. Um, but speaking of the daughters, why were the daughters even out of town on Mother's Day weekend to start with? This is something that just pokes at me and pokes at me.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Uh is So did they live in the same town and they had gone out of town? Correct. Or did they live in a different town and they lived in the same home, in the family home. Because if they lived in a different town and didn't make it home for Mother's Day, I mean, I could see how that would happen. You have your own stuff going on. I don't make it to England for my Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_00 7:43

Right, right. But they lived with with the parents. So I I thought that that was really strange, especially if your mother is battling cancer on Mother's Day to not be there, to be out camping. And I did research this, and there is absolutely nothing concrete. They were camping. Together? Yeah. And this is not concrete information, but I kind of feel like Barry somehow engineered this for those girls to be out of town on Mother's Day so that he could do this. I can't imagine those girls saying, Oh, hey, mom, we love you. And we know that you're battling cancer and we know that Mother's Day is this weekend, but we're actually going camping. Good luck. See ya. But that yeah. I mean Yeah, that is interesting. I don't think they're gonna cooperate those daughters with anything. I don't think that they're gonna come out and say utterly anything that would be damning to him because I think that he has got them completely, completely under his thumb. And one of Suzanne's friends actually said that Suzanne told her that Barry would like regularly throw her under the bus and turn the daughters against her when they were fighting. So there has probably always been some type of manipulation going on with Barry and the daughters, probably from their birth, unfortunately, because he's a narcissist and that's just what they do. But what do you think about just the daughters in general? I mean, and I I don't want to sling too much mud because they did lose their mother. And frankly, I think their father is a murdering piece of shit. So they obviously don't think that. They don't think that.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

I really thought as I was watching the story, I understood how they stood by him uh during the first trial, but I really thought that once they f found the BAM evidence in the remains, if I was the daughter, I think that would have been the turning point for me because that's hard to deny. And if he's the only person that that spot it, I would at least have doubts then.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Yeah, well, it's either him or the Colorado National Park Service. Uh which of the two doing. Like I just, and the there was one interview that Barry and the two daughters did. I can't remember which one it was, but it was so creepy. That one way.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

They're sitting either side of him. Yes. And it looks almost cult-like. It's like they're looking at him like, what can we say now?

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Yeah, they're like, is this good enough for you? Did I do a good job? Is this what you wanted? It just made me so uncomfortable. And that's your dad. Like, I did not like that at all. I think that they, I think that the daughters are definitely under his spell. I think that they have one parent that's now dead and one parent that is a demon. And I feel for them and I hope that they wake up. I really do.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

And we don't know this family's dynamic. We can only say how it came across to us, the impression it gave us. But we both got that same impression, which says a lot.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Yeah. So moving along, that glove box DNA that belongs to somebody else that has Yeah. How many people's DNA do you think are in your glove box? Because I'm don't think there's that many on my. I don't know. Well, there's so many things that could describe it. I mean, where did they get this vehicle from? Is it from somebody that drove the vehicle previously, somebody that test drove it? Like, DNA, my DNA's all over your car, and you know. So you better not kill me. I definitely won't kill you. But like, do it there's something called touch DNA, which is like, oh, I put my arm here. My arm is on the printer for all of you who can't see, and like my skin flakes or whatever fall off. Like that could easily have happened. Somebody could have been test driving this car before Suzanne bought it.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Yeah, I think that's got to depend on the history of the car.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

It could have that DNA could have gotten on some other object that was put in the car. I mean, there's a lot of different ways to explain that away, but I mean, it is odd that it just happened to be DNA involved in sexual assault cases. Yeah. So I understand why that really threw a wrench in, but I ultimately don't think that there's another perpetrator. I think it's Barry Morphew. But here's something I wonder. He had these two randos try to strong arm Morgan. And I wonder, is he connected to other people that well maybe those two randos are sex offenders and somehow they were in the car. And somehow he planted the DNA in the car, you know? So I don't know. Like I said, I I understand why that threw a wrench in because it's quite a coincidence, but I think that there's some other explanation. So if they match the DNA to somebody specific, did they question that person? I don't think that they know who it is. They just know that that DNA has been found in sexual assault cases from Air I think it was Arizona and Illinois.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Mm-mm. And because then you would find that person and be like. And if they were like, well, I drove test drove the car once or I used to own it, then that would explain it. So I thought it was that maybe been able to put a name to it, but maybe it's not.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

No. So Barry is out of jail right now, free as a bird. I mean, yeah, he has an angle monitor or whatever on, but when this guy has already moved state, changed his name.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

I know. It's so infuriating. Bale is supposed to be judged on flight risk, and this is the biggest red flag flight risk, I think I've seen in a while.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Yeah, big time. I mean, he has already shown that he cannot be trusted. He literally has that charge related to misleading investigators. Like, of course you can't trust that man. He's living under another identity in another state.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

And I wonder how he justified that to the daughters, unless he was just saying, Well, I've been tarred with that brush now, so everyone's gonna think I'm a murderer, so I have to move away and change my name. Because otherwise, wouldn't the daughters be like, Well, if you're innocent, why do you have to change your name?

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Yeah, I think the daughters just believe anything that they tell him. He has completely taken over their brains like some alien parasite slug in their fucking brains.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

I really I was thinking hypnosis, but we can go with alien slug.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

That's more fun. Anyway, so there was a law change that actually allowed Barry to get his sorry ass out of jail. Well, not necessarily a law change, but after Colorado abolished the death penalty, the state Supreme Court ruled that first-degree murder was no longer considered a capital offense, which meant judges had fewer grounds to automatically hold someone without bond. And in Barry's case, his original $3 million cash-only bond was later changed to a surety bond, meaning he didn't need millions in cash up front and could use a bail bondsman instead.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

I'm sorry. If first degree murder is no longer a capital offense, what is? This should be top of the list.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

I know. And I I don't and I I did some research on this and I just I don't it kind of seems like the judge had some discretion here about what he wanted to do or she, and they chose at their own discretion to allow him to make a partial payment and get out. And if what I'm saying is correct, honestly, shame on that judge because that is an egregious mistake. And I hope that he doesn't flee. I hope that we see him in court in October.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

We'll just have to see. So I don't know about the door frame that you mentioned. I used to rent a basement apartment to a couple, and I guess they used to fight all the time, and she used to lock herself in the bathroom. And when he would try to beat down the bathroom door to get to her, he broke the door frame in my basement. And it just sort of brought me back to that moment of like somebody trying to break down a door to get to somebody else.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

I'm so glad you said that because the the GPS data and the cell phone data, all this data coupled with like the concrete evidence like that, it it paints a picture. So you've got the movement of his phone from like one end of the house to the other, one end of the yard to the other in like rapid short succession, like a chipmunk, like a squirrel. And in my opinion, that is him chasing her and hunting her and trying to shoot her with that tank gun. And I think maybe she at one point went into that bedroom and locked herself in. And he, like you said, is trying to beat on the door and get in. And I think that's where that big crack in the door, because apparently it was like a solid wooden door. So he had to have used an extreme amount of force. And when investigators asked him about the crack in the door, he literally said, I don't know. I never noticed it.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

No idea how that got there. I don't believe that. I think for a second. Right. It was a mountain lion. And the previous homeowners, the people that owned that home before, they were questioned and they were like, Absolutely not. That crack was not there before. Yeah. So, um, but yeah, and then there was another piece of data from I think it was either the phone's GPS or the truck. He, so the truck was in the driveway and he backed it up, I think about 95 feet, like close to the house. And I think the bed of the truck was facing the house. And this was in the early morning hours, Mother's Day. And the data that showed him like chasing her around, in my opinion, was from earlier that day. So I think he was chasing her around and he, you know, tranquilized her, killed her, however he did it. We don't know how. But then I think in in the wee hours of the night, he then backed his truck up to the house and put her body in the back of that truck and, you know, put it wherever he put it. We don't know at this point. But investigators believe that he went and put it somewhere safe and then eventually moved it to where it was found three years later. But the the forensics paint a really clear picture, in my opinion. I think that we know exactly what he did.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

It must have been so scary.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

It's like I said, I just absolutely shudder to think about what she must have been thinking and feeling. Horrific.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

So the car data, what did you call it? Telemetry. Telemetry. Um so we talked about in Helen and Olga and in the crash about like the black box and about the forensic mechanics. But when you were talking about the telemetry and how it knew how many times each door had been open and for how long, I was thinking that's really like in depth. Like if they couldn't tell anything further from McKenzie's car other than what happened in the last five seconds and whether or not there was acceleration or break, how do they tell if a car's doors are opening and closing? And so the way my brain's processing this is maybe that's in the main computer, not necessarily a black box which is indestructible. So when, you know, if there's a crash, like in Mackenzie's case, that computer has been demolished to where there's no record of that stuff. But it also made me think about how advanced cars are now. So so you can get a car that's got all these like bells and whistles, and it's got this amazing computer that tells you everything you need to know. But the more advanced it is to tell you what you need to know, the more advanced it is to tell forensic mechanics what they need to know. So had this happened in like a 1999 board pickup, right, there probably wouldn't have been the same amount of information. So I think it's um very relevant to how complicated uh cars are getting. And he must have had a, you know, a really good car. I'm sure he had a really good, decent, reliable truck if he owned a top of the line. But I think that that's definitely something that's that's new, that's gonna come out more and more in newer cases. Because I didn't I really didn't know that there was something that could tell them how many times each door was opened and for how long and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

I didn't either, and I shudder to think what else it records, and I hope that it's not video recording me.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

But it makes sense because w you and I have the same car, right? And as soon as you open a door, it immediately comes up on the dashboard that that door is open and which door is. Right. So it obviously has a sensor that tells the computer that the door is open and it must tell it for how long. So when you think about it logically and the computers that we have in our car, it does make total sense. But it's not something that I've really thought about in depth before, and it's definitely something that Older cars won't be able to report. Or if a car is completely smashed up to where the main computer is on the working.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

So moral of that story is if you're going to commit a crime, do it in the old rusty The old rusty Honda court.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

And just remember, the fancier the computer in your car, the more it can tell everybody else as well as you.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

It's scary how much we're monitored and we don't even think about it.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Yeah. But I bet we start to see this more and more. Like, say it was eye-opening for me that they could gain that much information from this car, but just the same as like DNA is so much more progressed than it was 20 years ago. And we're gonna see the same thing happen with the computers in cars and how much they can tell. Everybody uses a car to dispose of a body. So Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

What else are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_01 22:46

You're gonna carry it? You want to get on a bicycle? So now we've got um surveillance cameras being like everybody's got a ring camera, so your neighbors could record you, you know, taking the body out. This must fascinate you being in your line of work. That as advanced as everything gets to help us live our lives, it also helps the authorities.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

And it yeah, it does. And it's like I always say, you guys, nothing you do on a device is ever deleted. You can put it in that recycle bin, you can delete it. It's not going nowhere.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

And I told you about that whole new true crime series that is literally just based on ring camera footage. I need to watch that. I want to say it's called Death Comes Knocking. Ooh, that's a good name. And it's not that they necessarily catch somebody in the act or anything or or removing a body. The first one, I think it must be the very first episode, it catch the neighbor's ring camera catches the ex-husband walking to and from the house in the early hours of the morning, obviously completely obliteratedly drunk.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

Yeah. And there was the uh the teppies. I can't remember their first names, but it was the teppies. The husband was a dentist and they had two small children, and her ex-husband came in to their house and shot them while they were asleep in the bed at night.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

Um, there was video from a neighbor's ring cam of him, and that's one of the ways that they caught him. And he used his own freaking car to make like a 12-hour drive or something ridiculous, and he went in his own car, and they're like, We see the whole trip in your car. Like, so that was really dumb. This man was a doctor, by the way, like a surgeon, and he couldn't even figure that out. But anyway, I before we cut the after show, do you think that this was premeditated or heat of the moment? Oh, premeditated. Yeah, I think so too. So there are theories out there, and these are these are just theories. But one theory is that Suzanne was like out back by the pool, and she had sent her lover, Jeff, a selfie of her like tanning by the pool the day that all this went down. People theorize that Barry came home and caught her, and it was heat of the moment, and he flew into a rage because she was having this affair. And the forensic data does support that theory because it shows exactly when she sent that picture to Jeff. But I can't reconcile that because those daughters were out of town. And I really think that he engineered those daughters to be.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Um, so she's laying by the pool, she sends a selfie, he catches her. By the time he's gone to his hunting rifle, loaded it with tranquilizer, like she's either got the hell out of Dodge or he's had enough time to calm down and realize this is not the way to do this. Right. Unless he happened to be holding a gun with a tranquilizer dart in it at the time that he found her taking the selfie. Right. There's premeditated steps at the very least.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

Yeah, I agree. I agree. I don't think it was heat of the moment. I think that he engineered the whole thing, and I think that he's a big fucking dummy. Because he didn't do a good job. He's screaming immediately, oh, a mountain lion got her. Oh, okay. Well, case closed. Everybody go on. Thank goodness you solved it for us. Thanks, Karen. Uh so yeah. And again, the trial is gonna start October 13th, 2026. I'm sure that I will be glued to it if they record it and I will keep you guys updated. And we want to know what y'all think. Like, do you think it was premeditated? Do you think it was heat of the moment? Do you somehow think he's innocent? What do you think of the Dolphus? Yeah, the daughters. It's like I said, I don't want to be mean-spirited because they have lost their mother and their father's a scumbag, and they obviously don't see that, and I hope that they do, but like the way that they look at him and interact with their father, it's like you said, it's like they're in a cult and he's the leader. Like they're mesmerized.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

I think when I first watched it, the first thing I said to you is, I can't believe that daughters are still siding with him. And you made a good point that with one parent passed away, they're clinging on to the other parent. So maybe there's some kind of denial in their subconscious where they just don't want to accept that they've lost both parents. Right, right. So that's also a possibility. But I would I would hope that if anything like that happened to me, I'd be able to see it for what it was.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Yeah, yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

But it's hard to say unless you're in that situation.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Yeah. All right. All right. Well, thank you guys for listening. Thank you, thank you for subscribing. We love you. We do. Um, we will be back next week with something or another. Who knows? It'll be a true crime story. A fascinating one. I feel like we say that every week.

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SPEAKER_01 28:20

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