Episode 32: After Show

In this after show we discuss the case of Daisy De La O from episode 32. Why did the police drop the ball? Why was Victor not brought in for questioning? Why was there no decent news coverage? So many questions....

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Hey divas and dudes, welcome to the after show for Daisy de la O Welcome. So what did everybody think of that? That's a gnarly one. And everyone could, like, kinda see it coming, but at the same time, what are you gonna do? It's the, the fact that she's, like, 15 and a minor and the mom's trying to do something, but at the same time, the police are like, "She needs to still make the statements." It's a very catch-22 situation, isn't it? It is, and I really do applaud the mother and the brother and the family, 'cause I really think they did everything within their capability. Everything they could, yeah. They could see the warning signs. They were trying, but obviously the mother was also like, "Oh, well, if she's got back together with him..." I mean, a 19-year-old girl, the more you tell them not to do something- Mm-hmm the more they're gonna be determined to do it if it's what they wanna do. And she had no official authority over her at 19 anyway. No. Like, there was nothing that she could do anyway when, she's an adult by law. She did what she could, and it's just such a tragedy that this happened When she left. She finally left him. Yeah. Got up the courage, and when you go through something like that, four years of abuse, of violence, of trauma, some people don't ever recover from that. Right. But it sounds like she just immediately started going to school and trying to get a future going. But like you said, that can be the most dangerous time. That's why they have all of these, like, shelters and everything for wives with kids that need to leave an abusive person. It's because they can actually protect you in there. But this was a different scenario when she's a teenager living at home with her mom. Yeah, I wish that she hadn't gone to see him that night. I mean, it was 11:00 at night anyway. Y'all, nothing good happens after 10:00 PM. Nothing. I'm just in my old age, okay, I'm gonna tell y'all right now, nothing good happens after 10:00 PM. Stay home and go to bed. And the fact that he killed her with a knife right outside the apartment definitely tells us that he wasn't really planning to meet her anywhere. He was just trying to get her to step outside the apartment alone. He must have already brought that knife with him. He did not find a large kitchen knife laying around that just happened to be there. This is totally premeditated. He made that call to get her out of the apartment because he knew what he was gonna do, and why is he wearing a mask and a frigging cap and a beanie if he wasn't up to no good anyway? Exactly. I 100% think that it was premeditated, and I just wonder, and we'll probably never know, of course, but I wonder what he told her to coerce her out of that house. What was so urgent? I think she was just a very trusting person, and this is somebody that she used to be attached to. And I mean, literally they can say, "Hey, I found something of yours that I know you'd want back." Mm-hmm. "I really wanna give it." I mean, they're so manipulative. They know what to say that works for that person, especially after four years. It could be, you know, say she had a bracelet that she was sentimentally attached to. He knows that that's the one thing she wouldn't wanna leave behind, so he's like, "Oh, I found it. Meet me and I'll give it to you." Playing the nice guy and playing on what he knows is important to her. We'll never know what it was, but I can see how he went about luring her that way. Yeah, and maybe it's something that he took so that he would have it as- If he'd had anything at all, yeah you know. But it would have to be something that she knew was missing. You're right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, right. Like, uh, like you said, a sentimental piece of jewelry or something, and he swiped it. Because just abusing men like that are always looking for opportunities to hurt you in some way. So- And it's a control thing. Mm-hmm. "I have this. You want it. I'm in control." Right, exactly. Kudos to his mom, too. To his mom, too. Yeah, I mean, I do wish that she had not just given him $500 and sent him on his way, but I love that she testified against him. I know that that could not have been easy- Mm-mm for her to do, and props to her for doing it. They had been together four years, and she had met Daisy on several occasions, and she really loved Daisy, too, so I think it really hurt her hard when she heard. And she must have put two and two together. Yeah. Big props to the mom, to both moms in this. When we think about moms, I think about a really horrible one, like the one in Gabby Petito. Not Gabby's mom, but Brian Laundrie's mom, and how just horrible she was. But both of the moms in this case, sounds like they were really wonderful people who wanted to do the right thing. So yeah, his mom had got to know Daisy really well over the four years and just adored her and was devastated when she heard. And that's the thing, is Daisy's death, like, absolutely traumatized so many people. You can tell that she was absolutely beloved. And, I know they weren't in-laws 'cause they weren't married, but, like- Usually there's some friction, like the mom doesn't like the girlfriend or whatever. So the fact that his mom adored her, I really think says so much about Daisy. I think she was just lovable. That kind of thing, yeah. From everything I've read about her, she was very loving and giving and liked to help other people and do what she could for them. She worked at a CVS. Did, Victor have a job? Do we know if he was able- I don't know. I didn't see anything about him having a job or not having a job, so. Wonder where he was getting his funds to just hang out in bars and chill all day. From his mom. "Can I have 500 bucks?" He just kinda seems like the type to me, and going back to Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie, that he's a bum. He doesn't have a job, and he mooches off of his girlfriend and abuses her. I know he didn't have a car, because on the wanted poster it said that he liked to travel by skateboard and public transport. "I travel by skateboard." Yeah, so just a loser all around. Yeah. Well, I mean, he's 21 on a dating app picking up 15-year-olds. Such a disgusting human and types like that, abusive, controlling types, definitely do pick younger, more naive women and girls by design. It is by design. I can control you more easily. I can manipulate you more easily. I have to say, though, 15-year-olds shouldn't be on dating apps. They really shouldn't, but it's like if your teenager has a device, like it is almost impossible- To monitor it to monitor it. Like, they're gonna find a way. I wonder if she told her mom that she met him on a dating app. They seemed close. Yeah. You know? Seemed like they had kind of an open relationship, so. Well, I mean, she lied about his age- Yeah for quite some time. It wasn't until she met Victor that she was like, "Wait a minute." Yeah. "This dude's all tatted up. There's no way he's 15." So she knew that, like, her mom would not be okay with her dating somebody with that much of an age gap. Correct. Yeah. And that's good. Like, her mom should not have been okay with that. Yeah, right. By the time that she met Victor, though, it was like they were- They were too entwined involved, heavily involved. Yeah. And I just can't get over his blatantness. Like, strangling her in front of the brother, that's actually quite strange for an abuser to, to do that kind of thing in front of other people. Maybe it's her younger brother, so if she's only, say, 15, 16 when this happens. I don't know how old Nathan was, but let's assume he's around, like, 11 or 12 or so. I mean, I get that maybe you wouldn't do it in front of her mom, but the balls of this guy. I think it just goes to show, because a lot of abusers are very much, like, controlled, and they know when they can do this and when they can't do this. And I think that this goes to show that he was just completely out of control. Yeah, he wasn't discreet about anything, like the broad daylight- Mm-hmm the middle of the day. So the other incident where Nathan intervened, apparently he and Daisy shared a room, and they had bunk beds. Mm-hmm. And she was on the top bunk when she got into a fight with Victor. I'm sorry, my brain's just going, what was Victor doing in her bedroom? Right. Um, but I guess Nathan was there, so maybe, uh, who knows what that scenario was. But she was on the top bunk. They got into an argument, and he got up on the top bunk and started to physically abuse her, and that Nathan even stopped that and got in between them. I'm just picturing that scenario is, like, that poor kid. Yeah, and, and that's traumatizing for a kid to witness, certainly. But, I mean, there's multiple instances now of Victor being violent with her with not just other people around, but, like, her close family around. This was bound to happen. I'm shocked that it ha- it took four years. But had he not done it in front of anybody else, she would never have admitted to it. Mm-hmm. She wasn't prepared to throw her brother under the bus as a liar, so. Yeah, and like I said, I mean, that just goes to show her character. Like, as bad as she did not wanna incriminate and expose Victor, she did not want to- It was more important for her brother not to be seen as a liar- Mm-hmm 'cause he did nothing wrong. Yeah. She knows that Victor's in the wrong. I mean, she does. Yeah. She was just such a sweet girl with good character. And why do girls and women like that end up with such fucking scumbags? It happens every day, all the time. What, what do you think? Like, oh, I can change him. I know that's, that's a popular one. Like, I can change him. I can just love him enough. He doesn't have anybody that loves him. If I just love him, I can change him. No, you can't. Get away. Yeah And you made a good point in between recordings that was he working on the next victim in Mexico? But then where is he going to run to? Right. Yeah. And, and I mean, people like that, especially if he was a jobless fucking loser and he used women to mooch off of, he almost certainly was working on his next victim if he didn't already Have one in Mexico. Maybe that's why he went to Mexico, for all we know. Maybe he had somebody there waiting. Like, "Oh, hey honey, I'm, I'm coming back to Mexico." Not, "Oh, I'm fleeing to Mexico because I've murdered a woman." Do you need a passport to get to Mexico if you're driving from- I think you do California. I think so. I wonder how he got in, 'cause I doubt he had a passport. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I doubt he had a passport, because he didn't seem... He traveled by skateboard. He skateboarded into Mexico. Oh my God. Not skateboarding into Mexico. Shut up. Well, maybe, was he a Mexican citizen? Did he migrate here? We don't know. I'm not actually sure. I mean, he definitely looked, and his mom looked of Latino descent as well- Right as Daisy's family. Right. But I didn't get the history. All I can tell you is that his mom on the stand spoke very clear, perfect English, like she'd lived in America her whole life. Okay. Okay. She didn't sound like somebody with an accent that had migrated from another country. So then he almost certainly wasn't born in Mexico then. No, I don't think so. Okay. I mean, I could be wrong. I don't know the history, and I know that that's a very loose thing to base it off of. Yeah. But that's the only thing I can really go on, is the fact that it didn't sound like English was her second language when she was on the stand. Right. Well, I'm gonna go with he skateboarded into Mexico, because it, it's just giving me a chuckle. And I need it in this case. And, and it's the kind of loser thing he would have to do- because he probably didn't have the money to get there any other way. Right. He had to go steal 500 bucks from his... Well, he didn't steal it. His mom willingly gave it, but it was also under false pretenses, because he was supposed to go take care of some business before turning himself in. But also, what kind of business does a loser on a skateboard even have? Set him up with his drug dealer. Probably. Probably. Yeah. And I'm actually thinking about it, had she not testified against him, she could have been charged with accessory. If she saw him after the murder and after he practically admitted to her that he did it, she then gives him money and doesn't report him, she could have been accessory if she hadn't have. Yeah, because that could be construed as you gave him money to escape. You helped, you helped him get away. Right. You basically knew he did it. You didn't turn him in, you didn't call the police and tell them, and you gave him money. We do say kudos to her for testifying against him, but she may have been in a sticky spot. Yeah. I feel like she probably did it for the right reasons, just based on everything else that we've heard, and I hope she did it for the right reasons. No, she seemed very genuine, and I feel like she believed him And just saying that like unintentionally she could have been in a sticky spot had she not testified against him because she aided and abetted even though she didn't really realize what he was gonna do. That's a good point though, you guys. I mean, if you know somebody that has committed a crime and they're like, "Hey, do me a solid," maybe don't do them that solid, whether it's giving them money or giving them a ride, because you're gonna be an accessory. So she reported him missing four days, and it was two weeks later. So two weeks later, he hadn't yet fled to Mexico, and the police didn't have enough to bring him in on questioning, supposedly. Had she called the police the day that she met him saying, "Hey, I confronted him about it and he hung his head, and it gave me the impression that he knew something about it," maybe they would've been able to bring him in for questioning before he fled. Yeah. Maybe so. 'Cause that's pretty telling. But they weren't gonna bring him in anyway. If they were going to, they would've already done it. True. But they were just so negligent. I mean, just absolutely gross negligence. So let's talk about that. How do you not bring someone in for questioning because you don't have enough evidence, when this person has been reported to three police stations in the area as having been abusive enough to smack a skateboard over somebody's head? So you have these previous police reports. He smacked a skateboard over her head in broad daylight in the middle of the street. There was blood running down her face. Her brother witnessed it. But that's not enough evidence to at least bring him in for questioning when she's found dead? Right. So you've got the previous police reports that are documented on record. You've got all of her close family members saying, "Hey, he has abused her, and he did this. We know he did this." You've got people who have sighted him. You've got witnesses who said, "Hey, he was here." And the last time anybody saw her was when she went to go meet him that evening that she was found murdered. That's not enough to question somebody? Yeah, and I disagree with that. I can't think of a single other case where- Where they didn't at least question somebody right, the last person to see them alive. That's always where they start. Right. So do we think that is lack of police interest, lack of police time and resources, or just because she was Latino and it's a high-crime area and it happens all the time, can't be bringing everybody in? All of the above. I think that it was kind of like a perfect storm of these circumstances. And unfortunately, I don't think that this is the exception. Like, I think this is just kinda the, the norm, especially in high-crime areas like that. And we're told to, oh, give the police grace. They're, they're doing what they can, and I do believe that. I believe that there are limited resources and that they are doing what they can with what they have. But then now we know, hey, this is not enough, so let's allocate more resources. Let's, let's do something about that. Agreed. But I also have to say, if they didn't have enough resources, why was this case low on the priority list? It's, it's a savage- With the clear evidence savage murder. 58 stab wounds, in addition to the bruises and the laceration on the neck and everything else, and that person, whether it's Victor or not, is still out there, and this is low on your priority list? And the way that the media portrayed it as well. The Latino Jane Doe. I mean, that tells you everything you need to know. Right there, which is that they just didn't give a shit about Daisy. I mean, they couldn't have made that more clear The whole Gabby Petito comparison really meshed well for me because the Gabby Petito Foundation helps to bring awareness to victims of color that aren't given as much press attention as Gabby, and that's fantastic. And it was because of the Gabby Petito social media attention that helped... They found that couple that had the images of the van. Mm-hmm. And they searched by that, that helped find the body. That's what inspired, um, Daisy's cousin to turn to social media. So you've got Gabby Petito Foundation helping with these cases. You've got Daisy's cousin saying, "Well, this worked for Gabby Petito, let's try this." But Gabby Petito's face was on every single news report on every station from the day she went missing, and Daisy's a Latino Jane Doe. Yeah. I mean, the comparison is sickening And infuriating and disheartening. The clear difference is you've got a blonde white girl over here, and you've got a, quote-unquote, "Latino Jane Doe" over here. Like Both murdered by their abusive boyfriends. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's the same legal case- Mm-hmm but completely different attention. Yeah, completely. So having covered Gabby Petito and reading about the foundation and everything it does and so on, as soon as I saw this story, which I actually stumbled across when I was researching Gabby Petito, and I was like, you know what? They're right. And as people in the true crime arena, you know, we need to be part of the solution- Absolutely by bringing these cases out, at least as much as we can. Yeah, and that's why next I'm doing Shanquella Robinson. So that's gonna be next week for you guys. And I know this is hard to believe, but that one is even more- Okay infuriating than this one. And I know nothing about it, so I shall- Be prepared to be pissed I, mm. Okay. Got it. Got it. Okay. But yeah, I mean, rest in peace to Daisy. Like, uh, obviously this case was still completely unacceptable. Right. Like, anybody who had any authority here to do anything, to bring charges, to spread awareness, nothing. Nothing. And I don't believe for a split second that the police already knew where Victor was, and- Right. What was the deal with that? If you know where he is, why is he still there? Go get him. Yeah. If you haven't done anything... She was murdered in February, this is July. You haven't done anything, pursued anything, let the family know about anything except put out this wanted poster. But now suddenly when they have evidence that he's there, you're like, "Oh yeah, we've been onto him and we knew that." Trying to make out like they were still even- Like, they're not dumber than fucking rocks and useless. I don't believe they'd done anything- No to help further find him, let alone reach out to Mexican authorities and it's not until the day after they give the evidence that he's then extradited? Yeah. Oh, this is just the biggest coincidence in the universe. We already knew this. Yeah. Give me a fucking break. And, like, how would they know? Right. And if they knew, then why weren't they communicating or doing something, anything? Somebody reported him skateboarding in, that's what. They're like, "There's this dude that looks like a skunk on a skateboard." Skunk on a skateboard crossed the border. Skunk on a skateboard. Oh, man. That's a good band name. Skunk on a Skateboard. Skunk on... It's cute. It's cute. So I don't believe them for a damn second. They had no interest in the case from the beginning, and they didn't wanna look fricking stupid when it took the family to solve it. Yeah, and this is another one where it, it took the family being absolutely ruthless- Relentless in their pursuit. And it's like Depraved Heart. If, if Sarah's sister hadn't been so vigilant, this guy would still be doing oral surgeries on people and finding his next victim. And no doubt Victor would be doing the same. He would be on another victim. There might be another body at this point if he wasn't in prison, or multiple. And as for pleading not guilty, there couldn't be any more evidence. You left the murder weapon with your DNA on right there at the scene next to the body. They found his DNA on the walls of the alley, on her body, on her clothes, on the carpet, on the knife. Like, are you dumb as a rock? He clearly is very dumb because he's just hanging out in the bar, making himself look even more conspicuous by doing a skunk hairdo. Like, hello? Yeah, before he moved, I think I showed you an early picture where he had thick, black like chin length hair. By the time of her death, he had long, long black hair, which is actually why the grandfather knew, even with the mask and everything, that it was Victor. He said he recognized the eyes, but it was the long, long dark hair. Mm. And there are some pictures where he's got e- even in pigtails, it's like so long. Mm. Um, and then the early one I showed you was, like, he had a lot of thick black hair, and it was like chin length. Yeah. And he had definitely changed his appearance, but he definitely did not make it low-key. He cut it very, very short compared to how long it was, and then dyed that skunk down the middle, which didn't even dye white. It was like yellow. Yeah, I mean, there are cameras everywhere, you guys. And people with phones everywhere. So somebody recorded that on their phone. Yeah. They recognized him even with his change of appearance, recorded it on their phone, and then sent it in an Instagram message. And apparently there had been so many that turned out to just be nothing. Mm. And they kept bringing them to the police, who were like, "This is nothing, this is nothing, this is nothing," that the police were, kind of, it was getting old to them. And so they weren't interested in looking at anything that they brought them unless it was definitely 100% sure it was Victor. Mm. Which is why she sent the video to Susanna to absolutely, positively identify it was Victor before she would give it to the police. Because they'd given so many leads in the past that hadn't panned out. But that's their job. Right. Explore every lead. Like- Absolutely. It was... So that's what they're saying, is, "We don't want to do our jobs." That's what they're saying. Yeah. And it, it's baffling. Like, you have no leads. I'll bring you 1,000 leads. 999 of them are gonna be false leads, but how do you find the one? That's the nature of the beast, dude. And they actually, although they received a video, they sent the screenshots to the police. Right. The ones I showed you. This police, like, I can't with these people. Just horrible. I can see why her mom went to three different police stations, and it was actually the Los Angeles sheriff- Mm that was the one that ended up going to the school and interviewing Nathan. Even though they turned her away and said, "No, you can't file this restraining order because she has to do it even though she's a minor," somebody at that police station was like, "We need to follow up on this." I'm glad you brought that up, because a parent should be able to take some kind of legal action For their minor child if they are in danger. A parent should be able to get a restraining order or something. There needs to be some kind of recourse. I, I think there's a catch-22 there, because I think if Daisy, at 15, 16, whatever, had gone into the police station and said, "I want a restraining order," they would've told her no 'cause you're a minor. Right. So an adult needs to file this. And then her mom comes in, and they're like, "We can't file it without Daisy's testimony." So maybe they need an adult to file it, but they needed the victim's testimony. But I just feel like there's- Abused women are not- Right going to, in most cases, be honest. But I feel like that's where there's a, a hole in the system. Yeah, and it needs to be fixed immediately, and the fact that this case happened is clear proof of that. And thank goodness Nathan told them the truth. Thank goodness somebody at that police station took the initiative to follow it up- Mm-hmm and that Nathan wasn't too scared to talk to them, and he told them the truth. Yeah. I agree. I don't think I got a lot more to say about this No, just that, just the poor family that lost, like, just such a precious member of their family. And Daisy, who never got to realize her dreams. She endured an abusive relationship for the last four years of her life, and then she tragically died knowing no peace and, and no joy and no happiness and no realization of her dreams, just four years of abuse and then death, and that just breaks my heart. And then she couldn't even really get justice. Right. But I do want to make sure that we even it out, that we cover as many high-profile and low-profile- So yeah, I agree. We definitely need to do that. All right, guys. Join us next week for a similar story apparently. For Shanquella Robinson. All right, guys. Until next time. Be divas. Not deadly. Bye. Bye.